If Froch wins the Super Six series... does his legacy surpass Calzaghes?

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  1. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Yeah, sorry pal. I hit the quote button rather than post reply. I agree with what you said.
     
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  2. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    Jeff doesnt seem to like Cal much does he lol
     
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  3. Tony Bellew

    Tony Bellew Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he wins this I'll show my ar$e to the vatican..;)
     
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  4. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If he wins it AND remains unbeaten in doing so, then I would say yes.
     
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  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Agreed. He'd have 5 top class wins from this tournament to add to wins over Taylor and Pascal. He'd have 7 good wins at world level, to varying degrees.

    Not even worth considering until we see how he holds up in his first few fights, 5 fights is a long way in the future.

    If Haye beats Valuev and both Klits he's probably one of the greatest British fighters ever, these are just pipedreams at the moment.
     
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  6. Dan684

    Dan684 Dave's Stepdad Full Member

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    Shut up kos thats horse****. :lol:

    Be under no illusions, Calzaghe would not I REPEAT would not have even dared enter this tourny. Froch gets credit for entering and if he wins then he is better, if he wins whilst remaining undefeated he's miles better.

    I wish these threads on Calzaghe would stop now. I was hoping I wouldn't have to hear of him again.
     
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  7. Kid Lucky

    Kid Lucky Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't buy that Calzaghe is rated so highly because of his unbeaten record. I'd rate him highest in my time for the superiority he had over his opponents, skills and ability to change tactics in a fight. He could have lost a dodgy decision in Germany in that time and it wouldn't affect my judgment.

    Froch ain't shown enough yet to show that to the same extent as Calzaghe but if he were to win this tourney - that Calzaghe would never never never enter he'll have a better resume then him.
     
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  8. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    The only thing Joe feared more than planes.
     
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  9. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    How on earth would you evaluate victories without considering the remainder of that fighters career?

    Do you consider Hopkins win over Glen Johnson to be about equal to that over Joe Lipsey? And do you rank Jones' victory over Hopkins on the same level as those over Glenn Thomas or Percy Harris?
     
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  10. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    They were world title fights icelander. Calzaghe beat Steve Wilson and Mark Delaney in domestic fights before moving into world class against alleged World class fighters. :good
     
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  11. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Old Eubank
    Reid
    Woodhall
    Delaney

    Shot to bits Reid
    Dodson
    Magee

    Sorry, but that's just a laughable statement.
     
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  12. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    It's never something I'm fully comfortable with because a fighter can improve a lot. The Jones and Hopkins example is a good one because Hopkins was very green at this point although Jones was too. It's a difficult one but if a fighter improves vastly then I think the credit should be limited to a certain degree. What do you think?
     
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  13. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    So what fighters has Calzaghe beaten who are better then Pascal and Taylor? Hardly any and you've got a whole career to pick from. Was Lacy as good as Pascal? How about Woodhall? Maybe Sakio Bika?

    Who was better then Taylor? Hopkins? Who else? .....

    If you had no doubts about Calzaghes abilities then much like Grant you wouldn't feel the need to defend his shocking technique and his questionable legacy.
     
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  14. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    And live in-form opposition.
     
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  15. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Old Eubank- WBO tidle
    Reid- WBO tidle
    Woodhall - WBO tidle
    Delaney - British tidle

    Shot to bits Reid - British tidle
    Dodson - British tidle
    Magee - British tidle

    The British tidle is a domestic tidle.

    The WBO 'world' tidle is an international title meant to be contested by world-class fighters.

    The clue is in the name ...'world' tidle.

    Hope this helps.
     
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