If Froch wins the Super Six series... does his legacy surpass Calzaghes?

Froch has two decent wins?? I must have missed them.

The first decent, SMW boxer Froch meets who has a bit of speed, can dig, has ok footwork and doesn't gas at the first opportunity, will take this one-trick pony to market.

Lucky for him that there's only one proven SMW in this tournament.

 

I have a feeling Abraham is going to KO Froch.

 

Prime Reid... Prime Reid...Prime Reid

Is this the same Reid that lost to 40-10 Malinga ? the same guy who Jones knocked out in 5 lop-sided embarrassing rounds several years earlier?

What about Prime Reid (i like that name, 'Prime Reid ) when he got completely white-washed by the at best, limited Silvio Branco by scores of 109-118 immeadiately after the Calzaghe defeat?

My facts, yes facts, actually speak volumes about Calzaghe actually in the fact that sandwiched between those 2 sterling losses, he arguably beat Calzaghe !

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Was that the 'Prime Reid'... 'Reid' ... or the 'Shot Reid' ? lol

Because the Reid i was thinking about, was the one that trained by a swimming pool for 2 weeks prior to going to Florida. Then he actually retired after getting a load of points deducted and it decended into a farce. Reid was certainly not destroyed. Especially when compared to the 'fully fit Reid' who was bounced off the deck by a one-legged Cobra.

 

Toffee Jack

Reid - Couple of years past his best (At Least) and there was every possibilty he could have came out with the win. A lot of people think he should have for that matter
Kessler - Superb win at the time but looking at it now its not that good of a win. Especially if Froch wins the tourny
Lacy - Was 24/0 at the time. Thats a green fighter mate, and just look what he's done since. Dont give me the Calzaghe destroyed him rubbish coz Calzaghe doesn't punch hard enough to do that to anyone. He'd hadn't done a great deal 'pre-calzaghe' and done far far less since. Just look at Saturday for proof
Eubank - Years.....YEARS past his best and was beaten 2/2 in his fights after Joe before retiring

I know you didn't mention these 2 but i'll add them anyway.

Jones - Totally shot, beating a one-armed,overated fat faced Lacy does nothing to change that

Hopkins - Way past it, 42 at the time of fighting, Very very nearly beat Calzaghe and in a lot of peoples opinions should have. Beating Pavlik means nothing on the face of it really. Pavlik was stepping up to Middleweight with a virus (we believe) and Hopkins was stepping down from Light Heavy fit and well. Pavlike will probably be found out as a little overrated hence him not taking part in the tourny IMO.

The two stand out victories for Froch are

Pascal - Admittedly for a vacant belt but Pascal has gone on to do better things (a feat no Calzaghe opponent has achievd) by capturing the WBC at light Heavy

Taylor - A little past his best admittedly but still a good candidate for the tourny and still had it, as proved by him ooutboxing Froch for most of the fight.



All in all to win the tourny Froch has to win 4/5 times against Kessler, Abraham, Taylor, Dirrell, or Ward.

This surely would give him a better resume than that of Calzaghe's

 

Just because Reid had a bad day at the office a couple of fights beforehand against Malinga (who was a very good fighter ask Nigel Benn and Eubank) doesn't make someone not in their prime years or at least very close to it.

Fact it, Froch isn't near Joe Calzaghe yet and probably never will get close.

 

Nuthugger.

 

IF Froch goes on to beat all them then yes he would have a very good resume.

It won't happen though I'm sure of it. He can't get away with that **** defence when he steps up to that class surely. Especially when he just doesn't have the movement or speed to combat that.

I actually think Froch is good for the sport because of his attitude but I do think the guy is a complete wanker which really puts me off him and has done since around the time he beat Magee.

Like I said respect if he manages to do that from a boxing perspective but I'm convinced it won't happen.

 

Well fair enough pal but I think he has a decent chance of doing it. I dont get all this Froch is a wanker stuff though, he seems sound as **** to me. You may not like him for calling Joe out all the time but I respect him for that because he wanted to prove something. All the Joe nuthuggers claim Jones and Popkins avoided him but in truth if Joe had have gone about his business in the way Froch has then he would have got the fights but he didn't want them.

 

thats a valid point imo. calzaghe could have had a much better record (even if he had of lost imo) if he had gone travelling and looking for big fights / unifications. calzaghe was class, but his legitimacy as a 'great' can undoubtedly be seriously questioned imo

 

Don't debate with people who don't believe their own beliefs.

 

Pathmanc the way I see it mate is that for whatever reason the big fights fell through for him, he never once made a scene over it. Why on erath should Hopkins/Jones come to the UK to fight a champion of the weakest organisation with a small fan base (at the time anyway). They had fights over there which was gaurenteed millions for. They were the names so Calzaghe should have travelled. Just take a look at Haye. He doesn't really have a right to be getting the Klitschko fights but he stalked them around the worl calling them out at every opportunity offering to fight them in their own back yard, and accepting **** deals. That is someone who GENUINELY WANTS THE FIGHTS. Calzaghe was far too happy not to take the fights IMO

 

This thread is hilarious.

Andre Ward is winning this thing anyway.

 

Very well could do Smithy

 

I've had the opportuntiy to study this man a bit in the last week, even when he looked vunreble against Boone et al, he still looked class. He just has that 'thing' where I think a star is going to be born, and raise his game to a P4P level.

I really like Kessler, but after this week, he's had the worst possible draw for himself.

 

dont see how you can make that statement. a high class world championship fight with all the pressure of the build up, the pressure of the night itself, the intensity of physicality and mental intensity of fighting a proven world class boxer is something that imo, cannot be prepared for. now im not saying that ward will not win it or has no chance but until hes taken into the trenches and has serious questions asked not just of his ability but his heart, desire and character i cant pick him as a winner just yet

this tourney is great now im thinking about it. i just hope it builds momentum and doesnt become predictable.

im still liking a froch vs kessler finale tho