If Fury beats Usyk and AJ, where do you rank him all time?

Still outside the top ten,imo.

 

Same here. Might squeeze into the top 15. Holds him back that he has such a close decision over a boxing novice, though. More than the loss to Usyk, I think.

He could have lost to Ngannou and no one outside the Fury die hards would call it a robbery. It hurts your ATG standings to be in a position to lose to a novice who in his next fight got duly destroyed.

 

Ngannou won 3 rounds against Fury. It was a pathetic performance by the boxer but he won the fight unquestionably.

 

I don’t know what more he’d need to do in that scenario, he goes down amongst the greatest, but I doubt that scenario plays out.

 

I gave it to him as well, but quite a few didn't. And it wouldn't have been a scandal if Ngannou had won. That could have happened. It's a really, really bad look for someone aspiring for an ATG place to even put himself in that situation against a novice. It hurts him.

 

"Unquestionably" that's why when we had a poll here in regards to who won the fight Ngannou actually won the poll.

Ngannou landed more power punches and scored the only knockdown in the fight. And was maybe unfortunate not to score another knockdown in the 7th round ? I think it was.

Very close fight there's no way you can say Fury "unquestionably" won when so many people see it as a controversial.

 

Ali Vs Spinks ...

But then I suppose that Fury doesn't have a Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Patterson, Chuvalo, Lyle, Quarry, Bonavena type résumé ...

 

NOWHERE!

 

8-6 all time. Would have very good wins in Usyk, Klitschko and Joshua and solid wins in Whyte, Wilder and Chisora. He'd be lacking the title defenses and long term dominance to make it any higher on my list though.

 

Spinks was a gold medalist with an Amateur record of 178-7 and atleast a top 10 ranked Heavyweight.

That's not even in the same stratosphere as Fury struggling vs someone with 0 amateur fights and 0 professional fights.

Ali also had early stages of parkinsons and was way past his prime at that point and still managed to beat Spinks handily in a rematch. Fury will never put right the wrong he did in the Ngannou fight

 

DynamicP, you should know me by now to know I was being ironic.

I know ... There was a hint of sarcasm in my post when I then followed with Fury not having Ali tier wins, but hey, to some, Fury's impossible to beat H2H so the Ngannou will be repurposed and repackaged.

 

I actually didn't know my bad it's hard to tell sarcasm sometimes on the internet.

As for Fury's H2H I always felt it was vastly over stated. The man has been knocked down 8 times and has had competitive or close fights vs Wallin, Ngannou, Wilder 1, McDermott 1.

Don't get me wrong based on his skills and size he still has a problematic style for alot of Heavyweights. But hes shown far too many weaknesses and been too erratic with his performances for me to really rate him that highly H2H.

 

Spinks was an Olympic gold medalist and top 10 ranked, Ngannou had never boxed, even as an amateur, before.

Fury was also regarded as pretty much in his prime going into the fight, while Ali was 10+ years removed from his.

Ali's loss to Spinks was indeed embarrassing, though.

 

Ok, I just went back and watched it, I blame both of you for putting me through that again.
5-4-2 for Fury.
Ngannou indeed only won 3 rounds but got an extra point for the knockdown.
1, 4, 5, 6, 9 Fury
3, 7, 8 Ngannou
2, 10 Even

Fury usually outboxed, outworked and outjabbbed Francis who had almost non-existent work rate but he came to life in a few rounds (about four) and won most of them.

Fury got his right in there more times than Ngannou landed power hooks or crosses.
In the 7th round Fury went down as he ducked a left hook and stumbled forward, it was a slip.

No question about that, his worst showing yet and hopefully ever.
And yeah, you're right, if they gave it to Ngannou it wouldn't have been controversial. I personally scorn at the idea of winning a 10 round bout with only 3 rounds in the pocket but even my scoring tells me Fury only won by a point.