If Fury-Wilder 1st Fight had been stopped…

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  1. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ahh ok didn’t know that
    Only saw the woad fight before the 1st wilder fight.
     
  2. Manu Vatuvei

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    Fury was up well before 10 and totally lucid. It would have been massively controversial if it was waved off.
     
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  3. FrankinDallas

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    Tyson Fury and his entire trailer trash family would have been swept into the dustbin of history. He would have only been a footnote, a line in Boxrec. No Tyson, no John, no Howie, no Tommy.

    Sadly,that's not the way it happened.
     
  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Oh ye of little faith !
     
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  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ah...finally.

    ONE man sees it...I would have expected it to be miniq, but at least you noticed.

    Truth is, Fury DID die,

    He was transported to a higher plane of existence, one in which time moves hundreds of times slower than here.

    There, he met God, who showed him two versions of the future:

    one where he was counted out, and all that would follow from that KO, right up till his last day on earth.

    and one where he beat the count, and went on to win the trilogy. ( This second glimpse into the future only gone up to Chisora 3 ).

    The great man considered these revelations carefully.
    And then, just like that other gypsy played by Brad Pitt in SNATCH, he resurrected himself, and got up and fought on.

    The rest is history.



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  6. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury dethroning Wlad means more for his Legacy than his trilogy with Wilder.
     
  7. FrankinDallas

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    Historically speaking, that is probably true.
     
  8. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Looking back the thing that I find interesting is that Fury managed to make Wilder miss all fight but then was caught clean with a brutal 2 piece. I am think maybe he was out from the first shot and the second one helped wake him up.
     
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  9. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Only refs with a Wilder bias would wave it off.
    What is this nonsense people are speaking.

    Most heavy KD's are not waved off, especially in a championship fight. Same with MMA.
    Fighters are given a chance unless there's an agenda.

    Many times fighters are given a chance to continue even when they're out on their feet, like Bradley/Provod, or the classic Cleverly/Kov fight where Cleverly was gone, but helped back to the corner staggering by the ref.

    So come on.

    If people listened to Reiss they would realise he didn't wave it off because Fury's eyes were not out of it, he looked coherent.
    You can often tell when someone is 'gone' with these KD's, their eyes are rolling around in their head etc. That's when it gets waved off straight away.

    Fury was looking functional and so was allowed to make the count.

    If it was waved off, there wouldn't have been an uproar because the UK media hated Fury and the American media were pro Wilder.
    Fury would have been angry that he wasn't given a chance to make the count. He clearly wasn't KO'd so he would have protested and wanted to avenge it.

    He would have had the rematch and probably the same thing would have happened. The reason is that Fury already got dropped twice by Wilder and didn't fight scared or lose his nerve etc. So the KO loss would have hurt his ego but I think he would have avenged it the same.
     
  10. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with everything except the final part about the rematch. If the rematch had happened it likely plays out the same. However I think getting the rematch would be a big IF.

    The rematch was ordered by the WBC following the draw and groundswell of public outrage over the result. Had he lost by KO (even if controversial), I suspect team Wilder would have rode off into the sunset with the lineal claim to negotiate 50-50 with Joshua for the Wembley date.

    Fury would have to continue his rebuild (likely without the ESPN contract) and even get back in line behind Breazeale and Whyte for a second shot at the WBC.

    Basically Fury's career would have played out very differently.
     
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  11. BCS8

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    Borderline decision. If the ref had waved it off ... well I have seen worse stoppages. On the other hand he was within his rights to let Fury have the full ten count, and he beat the count. Also fine.
     
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  12. kirk

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    I don't think there'd be much meaningful uproar.


    Imagine if he'd have done that, and imagine Wilder didn't do a rematch.

    How different the landscape would be.

    Boxing is funny that way.
     
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  13. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He most likely would not have gotten a second chance vs Wilder. I'm glad Reiss didn't pull the trigger as it was a fight Fury was winning handily
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Jack Reiss is wildly inconsistent with his counts.

    Last night on Showtime, he stopped a very rough, competitive fight the moment one man's knees hit the floor and was dropped.

    He didn't wait to look in his eyes. He didn't give the guy 10 seconds to get up and another 10 seconds to "walk over there, now walk over here."

    But that's part of the allure of the Fury-Wilder trilogy. What if this or that happened? It will likely be one of the only fights Reiss is even remembered for. He's linked forever with them, too.
     
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  15. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Some are so blinded to hate Fury, they prefer not to see the rare professionalism of Reiss, thus not giving him the credit he deserves.