IF Fury...

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  1. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Active Member Full Member

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    I know there’s many possible permutations and outcomes, but how will you rate Tyson Fury if...

    A) He convincingly beats Wilder and becomes WBC heavyweight?

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    B) He gets ‘highlight real’ KTFO by Wilder?

    For me, ’A’ confirms him as the genuine lineal champion and cements him as the current no 1 heavyweight in the World.

    As for ‘B’, I’ll simply have him going down as an awkward clown who was in the right place at the right in beating a very unmotivated Klitschko.

    This is his defining fight, probably more so than it is for Wilder.
     
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  2. nurological

    nurological Boxing Addict Full Member

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    doesnt really change much imo. Wilder can smash him but he is still a better boxer than pretty much all the division.

    That's what happens when genuine top guys in the divisions fight each other. They are both still good afterwards. Amazing eh?
     
  3. Mavin

    Mavin New Member Full Member

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    Well we all admit that Wilder has got a punchers chance, so it wouldn’t change my opinion in either scenario. The only way I would change my perception of him is if Wilder boxes his head off over 12 rounds, but I think we all know that isn’t going to happen!
     
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  4. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Can depend on the fight really. If he wins a split decision in a horrible fight where he lands five punches a round then he's probably number one in the division but maybe not convincingly. Different case if he schools him.

    If Wilder just wipes him out in a round then he's a guy who's been a world champion for years, been a pro for over a decade and beyond the terrible fight against Klitschko his greatest achievement is beating Chisora. It's not much of a CV.

    I always think the reason Lewis and Holyfield could have beaten each other and still had legendary status is because of what they did in other fights - namely cleaning out as much of the division as possible. Both Fury and Wilder have never looked remotely like they intended to do that.
     
  5. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he gets starched the criticism will flow like a tidal wave. That's the nature of the game. Especially for a divisive figure like Fury. He can rectify the loss with a win in a 3rd fight but it'll be brutal until then. That's despite the fact Wilder could knock out a horse. It's not like getting stopped by Ruiz Jr for example but his absence from the sport and weak comeback opposition will comeback to bite him. That's why it's a must-win fight for Fury.

    I just hope he gets the credit he deserves it he schools Wilder and wins a wide UD. Two-time ring magazine champion is a huge deal and he'll have won every alphabet title out there having dethroned an ATG and taking the 0 of a long reigning champion who is the hardest hitter we've seen in many years. Huge achievements!
     
  6. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I imagine it will be much like the time he beat Klitschko. He got credit for the win but the 'performance' was panned because it's the sort of tedious defensive stuff that just turns people away from boxing.
     
  7. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I personally think he'll be a lot more aggressive than against Klitschko because Wilder is open. There was nothing wrong with Fury's aggression in the first fight. His punch output was high and he was landing good jabs and right hands despite the post-fight narrative of some. Although admittedly he could've put it on Wilder a little more at times. I believe in this fight he will. People like to forget that if you open up v Wilder, that's when he puts your lights out.

    Klitschko was a great defensive fighter himself and he could iron out anyone with a big counter. In that context Fury fought the perfect fight. I've no idea what people expected him to do. Wlad had that 'unbeatable' mystique about him having adjusted his style from the early defeats in his career. Say what you like, it's a fantastic performance. AJ done the same v a mexican pudding and I'm yet to hear you complain about it.
     
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  8. Momus

    Momus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We've obviously already seen the first fight, and have a good idea of how their relative styles and strengths match up. Both A) and B) are plausible outcomes that wouldn't necessitate a complete revaluation of either fighter's abilities. We know that Fury can outbox Wilder, and we know that Wilder can knock Fury out.

    It goes without saying that whoever wins has their standing raised and vice versa, but either scenario shouldn't result in people ret-conning fights that happened years ago.

    What would dent either fighter's rep more is if they lose via the unexpected route. If Wilder outboxes Fury many would lead towards Fury being more of an awkward spoiler type than a master boxer. Likewise, if Fury bombs Wilder out of there, people will look at Wilder a lot differently in fantasy match-ups.
     
  9. Cally

    Cally Active Member Full Member

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    He'd have to atleast defend a title this time, and or gain the others before i can have any sort of opinion on this.
     
  10. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What if Wilder ices Fury and then ices AJ and a couple more good fighters. He'll be an ATG. Suddenly Fury doesn't look so bad, especially if Fury goes on to beat AJ and a few others.

    Boxing fans love to make a final assessment but really, we can't fully judge these guys until they've hung the gloves up for good. A loss can be avenged and resume's can continue to build.
     
  11. hammertime

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    I don't think there is any shame in being knocked out cold by Wilder.
     
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  12. blackfella96

    blackfella96 Member Full Member

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    If he wins, he goes down as the #1 heavyweight in the division, if he loses, he goes down as the #2 heavyweight in the division
     
  13. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables booted Full Member

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    All the threads I see are about if Fury wins where does it place him.....what about Wilder? If he ktfo of Fury where does it place him?
     
  14. TonyHayers

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    I think if Wilder wins it actually tightens things up in terms of rankings. Consider the following:

    Wilder would have a standout win over Fury, two wins (from positions where he looked in trouble) against Ortiz, and after that it’s mostly all gatekeeper types. The list of top ten contenders who’ve been around since Wilder started making waves is long, and he’s fought very few of them.

    Fury would have an arguably better single win than Wilder has in terms of Klitschko, but after that his record is thin. He would have lost to Wilder, and his best win in a decade other than Klitschko would still be Dereck Chisora who is very, very much a gatekeeper figure who loses almost every single time he steps up. He’d have four wins in more than four years as well, all against rubbish.

    Joshua has Klitschko as well, and has avenged his only loss, with a better CV in terms of strength in depth; Parker, Povetkin and Whyte are just on a higher level to Duhaupas, Washington and Stiverne. But, he’s still lost to Ruiz.
     
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  15. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Active Member Full Member

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    Totally agree. However, AJ would still be left with a hell of a resume and legacy. An ‘iced’ Fury is left with a 1-1-1 world championship record and without a top level win since 2015.
     


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