If Given 2 Opportunities, Which Boxers Could Beat Anyone In Their Division, Ever?

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  1. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    For which boxers could one argue for within the boundaries of reason--the point being that some here have a stylistic nemisis, but there are fair reasons to believe that they could adjust to split a series or at least pick up a single victory in a series of 3-4 fights (thinking Pep & Saddler here).

    Tyson at heavy?
    Monzon at 160?
    Mayweather at 130lbs?
    SRR at welter?



    List your top 10, if you would give that a shot.
     
  2. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I would have to pick Ali at HW, i think Holmes would have the best chance of beating him, but great fighters can find a way to win, regardless of styles imo. And Ali would likely beat any hw ever, especially if given more than 1 chance in his prime.


    At 175, some will say Moore on his best day, but not imo, especially as Charles will be operating here, who is likely the safe bet, as he was 1 of the finest p4p when he was at 175. But i'll pick Spinks.

    At 160, on his best day at this weight, i'll still pick Robinson, but there are a number of choices here, as the best were so dominant, its hard to pick against them, regardless of styles.

    At 147, Robinson imo.

    At 135, Duran or Whitaker. Duran has his sceptics in h2h matchups, but he did brilliant in rematches at 135.

    At 126, Sanchez imo, would get the better of whoever, given more than one opportunity.

    At 118, Jofre i have as the best h2h, but he was given another go at Harada and never done it. Zarate would be my greatest at the weight, but i'll pick Olivares here, could be beaten, but was one of the best and good in rematches.

    At 112, not sure, maybe Canto?
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think Ray Robinson could have taken two out of three against just about any welterweight in history, but of course, its no guarantee. Floyd Mayweather never lost a match in his career, and at the same time, moved around through multiple divisions, never staying in one place for any great length of time, so he's a bit of a tough one to place. I don't think Monzon would have beaten every middleweight in history, but could have handed a single loss to most of the greatest fighters in that category. Tyson would not have my vote to beat every heavyweight in history. In fact, he lost two in a row to Holyfield. Granted he was past his best, but so was Evander.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

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    Heavyweight: Joe Louis

    Light-Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles

    Middleweight: Marvin Hagler

    Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson

    Lightweight: Roberto Duran

    Featherweight: Willie Pep
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    How would you suppose Joe Louis would defeat a prime Ali, Tyson, and Lewis?
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Except for Tyson those all look very reasonable. Even though I rate Tyson highly h2h, I get the feeling that once you had him you had his ticket. Fighters like Louis, Ali and Lewis was not only more adaptable, but also to a higher degree had the mental strength too bounce back from a defeat IMO.
     
  8. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali would not sweep a three or four fight series against Joe Louis. Lewis?? Rahman & Mccall would be lucky to make into the bum of the month club & they both knocked Lewis silly!
     
  9. Lacyace

    Lacyace Forever Knight Full Member

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    I feel as though Duran at 135 and RJJ at 168 are both givens.
     
  10. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    168 really doesn't have much of a history. But at 160 Jones would have a world of competition.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    1 - Muhammad Ali
    2 - Roberto Duran
    3 - Evander Hollyfield @ Cruiser
    4 - Roy Jones @ Super Middleweight
    5 - Ricardo Lopez
    6 - Sandy Saddler?
    7 - Wilferdo Gomez @ Super Bantamweight
    8 - Harry Greb @ Middleweight
    9 - Thomas Hearns @ Light-Middlweight
    10-Floyd Mayweather at Super Featherweight


    Not all of these are locked, but I think they are all reasonable choices.

    Louis - I feel Tunney would get him twice. That's why I left him off. Not sure anyone else would get him twice, but he'd be in two close ones with Ali, Lewis, Johnson, Liston...to hard to be sure.


    175 is too tough to pick anyone - Charles, Jones, Langford, Tunney, who's to say any of these boys could beat all of the others twice?

    147 is similairly murderous, Robinson, Burley, Walker, Leonard...
     
  12. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I really dont see how you could say this. Louis was the best rematch fighter ever, and Tunney never fought anyone his size let alone with the punching and technical skills of Louis. Theres simply not enough evidence of Tunney at heavyweight to pick him over louis twice. Not to mention if he keeps his hands by his waist when louis traps him late in the fight he is going to get knocked out. This isnt a past his prime dempsey in there, its a peak joe louis.
     
  13. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Heavyweight- Lewis. He beat everyone he faced, and has a couple of losses.

    Cruiserweight- Holyfield, but this is based on his heavyweight Career. He was better against Bowe, Moorer, Lewis the 2nd time around. I am assuming he would learn his lesson after a loss at this weight as well.

    Light Heavyweight- I'll go with Tunney as to be original. Has one loss, and it was avenged.

    Super Middleweight- Nigel Benn is the only person that comes to mind. He at least received a draw in his rematch with Eubank. That is an improvement from their first fight. Jones never had to avenge a loss at this weight. Calzaghe didn't either. Toney never avenged his. Eubank never avenged his losses.

    Middleweight- Ray Robinson, he did it several times

    Super Welterweight- Terry Norris did it against Brown.

    Welterweight- I'll go with Robinson based on his 160 lb. success.

    That's it for now. I'll have to stop drinking, and research to go on.
     
  14. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Azumah Nelson outside of his Sweetness was as good as anyone if given a second chance (when it was needed).
     
  15. daredevil1989

    daredevil1989 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    mayweather at super featherweight and lightweight