If Golovkin spent his prime competing at 168lbs?

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  1. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did Gennadiy Golovkin have the ability to unify the Super Middleweight division if that were his mission, gunning for title shots starting at somewhere around 2010? Let's say with no political hold ups.
    Here is a reference as to who were the Champions during this period.
    IBF
    2007-2012 /Lucian Bute
    2012-2015 / Carl Froch
    2015 -2017/ James Degale
    2017-2018 / Caleb Truax
    2018-2018/ James Degale
    WBC
    2010 -2010/ Mikkel Kessler
    2010 -2011/ Carl Froch
    2011 -2013/ Andre Ward
    2013 -2014/ Sakio Bika
    2014- 2015/ Anthony Dirrell
    2015 -2017/ Badou Jack
    2017 -2018/ David Benavidez
    WBA
    2009 -2015/ Andre Ward Super Champ
    2009 -2011/ Dimitri Sartson ( regular)
    2011-2012 / Karoly Balzay regular
    2012 -2012/ Brian McGee regular
    2012 -2013/ Mikkel Kessler regular
    2013 -2015/ Carl Froch regular
    2015 - 2016/ Fedor Chudinov Super
    2015 -2016/ Felix Sturm Super
    2016 -2016 /Giovanni De Carolis regular
    2016 -2018 / Tyron Zeuge regular
    2017 -2018 / George Groves Super
    2018 -2018 / Rocky Fielding regular
    WBO
    2009 -2012 / Robert Stieglitz
    2012 - 2013 / Arthur Abraham
    2013 -2014 / Robert Stieglitz
    2014 -2016 / Arthur Abraham
    2016 -2019 / Gilbert Ramirez
    2019 -2021 / Billy Joe Saunders
    Golovkin was a natural middleweight but he competed in the amateurs at 165lbs so he could have done it. Imagine all the great fights that could have been made. How do you think it would have went if GGG'S primary goal was unification of the 168lb division?
     
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  2. m.s.

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    For me, if Golovkin was already fighting at 168lbs for a few years and a contender, comfortable with the weight, challenge for Stieglitz WBO title in 2011. Then go after his old opponent from the amateurs Lucien Bute's IBF title in 2012. As you may already know, Golovkin stopped Bute in the amateurs. Then fight Andre Ward in 2013 for his WBA super and WBC titles. How do you think GGG fares in these endeavors? Could Golovkin beat these guys? If he stops Stieglitz and Bute, could he defeat Ward?
     
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  3. BCS8

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    Golovkin cleans them up and then everybody complains about the load of bums he fought and how he needs to go to 175.

    I can see it now.

    "Ward was never any good who did he beat, really? His opponents were one dimensional or faded."
     
  4. m.s.

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    You have a point, everybody Golovkin KO'D turned into a bum over night.
     
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  5. m.s.

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    Part of what got me thinking about this is the amount of times I read people saying Golovkin never tested himself by going up for bigger challenges. So I was thinking, he would have to really get an early start on his goals at the weight, and get to Ward before he moves up. If he beats those two aforementioned fighters, then beats Ward, then he's undisputed. At which point he can defend against guys like Froch, Abraham, and Kessler. If he were to lose to Ward, they can have a return match or Golovkin can continue to challenge other champs like Abraham, Froch and Kessler. As you can see there is alot of fighters at 168lbs to fight and defeat. No matter how you slice it, he would have a great chance to unify that division between 2011 and 2018, while he was still near his best.
     
  6. BCS8

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    I absolutely think he could have done it. But 160 was seen as a harder division during his reign. You could argue that maybe this was due to the need to hype up fights, but certainly 168 was never seen as much more than a wasteland with maybe 2-3 tough guys in it at any one time.
     
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  7. Yorbals

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    Would have liked to see him smash Froch, Carls chin and size advantage would see him take a beating
     
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  8. m.s.

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    So, are there any of these 168lb Champs that you would favor to defeat a prime 168lb GGG? Ward, Froch,Bute,Kessler Abraham,!?? Would he carrie his power? Any more thoughts?
     
  9. dmt

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    Ward is probably the only one in that bunch that could beat GGG. I don't see any one else on that list doing it.
     
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  10. m.s.

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    I would have loved to see GGG vs Froch!