If Golovkin unifies with Saunders on Sept. 15th

If Golovkin fights Saunders I will give him credit even though he will be the clear and obvious favorite.

However, I highly doubt GGG ever fights on the same date Canelo does unless its against Canelo.

GGG just isn't a draw. He has a good fanbase, but he isn't pulling the numbers Canelo does.

 

Golovkin is a big draw, he sells tickets.................................Golovkin will beat Saunders, that's why Saunders has refused to fight him for years. Golovkin beat El Pollo the first time and will the second time, but needs to knock El Pollo out as Oscar will own the judges, everyone knows that....................

 

You will give GGG credit?? Well I wouldn’t go around broadcasting that! GGG just might go ahead and punch his ticket if he gets wind of ISAL giving him credit. I mean what else besides retirement would there be left for him to fulfill??

 

Canelo's drawing power has diminished significantly. Even many of his countrymen have turned against him.

 

LOL He will never ever dare fight Saunders, that fight is too tough and a damn near guaranteed L

What you fail to realize is they both fight on HBO, they can't steal each others date!!!!

Who actually knows who HBO will back? I don't, I don't care tbh

I hope Canelo fights Spike, because I know for sure GGG will be begging like a peasant for that pay day

 

That's yet to be confirmed.

 

I don't think it will be that many actually.
Remember when he pulled the biggest chicken move in his career by dropping the belt rather than facing GGG? Mexicans reacted outraged at the time, and it seemed like they disowned them at that point. A couple of months later almost all tuned in to see him dismantle pushover Liam Smith, making 154 for the first time in 3 years by the skin of his teeth (no VADA testing).

Mexican fans seem to forgive as fast as British fans when there aren't many others near the absolute top., and in this case the fallout is a lot less, and most Mexicans fans seem to buy tainted beef (pun intended).

 

It's actually a litmus test for Canelo.

If this fanbase stays intact, then that means;

(a) they'll support him no matter what
(b) the money will always be there for him
(c) he knows he can get away with cheating

 

jacob is a good contender but charlo is champion level, they are not the same level

 

Canelo will fight David Lemming

 

Sounds great but you're glossing over some key details. And btw Golovkin's team is trying to do the same thing with regard to his IBF mandatory. Plenty of fighters vacate belts. The difference is that it is highly unusual for a fighter to be given a mandatory before even winning a title which was what happened with Canelo, let alone not ever having fought even close to the division's weight limit ! So what you're saying sounds great, but the whole situation involving how the WBC treated Canelo was utterly absurd. I wanted to see Canelo fight Golovkin as much as you did back in 2015/2016, but it was a highly unusual situation on many levels and whether or not you want to admit this, the reason Canelo vacated that belt was not because he was unwilling to fight Golovkin.

How was Liam Smith a pushover? He was an undefeated World Title Holder who had scored 8 knockouts in a row going into the bout. He was definitely a quality opponent and not a pushover at all. As far as the no VADA testing in that fight, we know now that it was Smith who refused VADA testing for that fight. And we know that Smith was unable to make 154 vs Liam Williams in their first fight. I mean, if you're trying to make the argument that Canelo was only able to make 154 because he was free to use banned substances, then why did he struggle so hard to make 154 vs Smith? After all there was no testing in that fight, right, that would have given him free reign to use all the clenbuterol he wanted. He should have been able to make 154 easy with all that clenbuterol he could have used right, but yet he barely made weight by the skin of his teeth? That just doesn't add up.

Good pun, but yeah Mexican fan know how big of a problem clenbuterol is in their country, so they would naturally be less ignorant than Americans or Golovkin fans who do not have a contaminated meat problem in their country who are more inclined to theorize that Canelo is cheating.

 

Jacobs or Charlo beat Clenelo and I will love every second of it

 

Such a huge difference in the IBF mandatory situation and the WBC belt situation, but of course you know that.
Canelo didn't have 3 belts to defend against 3 differnt mandatories. He only had the one and already got an extension for a belt that actually already should belong to Golovkin anyway.
The WBC were already bending over backwards for Canelo to have him keep the belt and actually win the belt, while Cotto refused to fight Golovkin and dropped it himself. Then they gave it to Canelo, with the promise he would fight Golovkin immidiately after, have given him another bullshirt fight against Khan with the promise that it would be the final perk he would get. Then again he didn't want to obey their rules.
Golovkin hasn't even ducked Derevyanchenko yet, but according to you it's the same thing?!
GTFOH with that bull!

What is Liam Smith's best win? I'll await your answer. According to my data it's either the controverial come from behind headbutt TKO win over Williams, or the could go either way points over the same Williams in the rematch.
And yes, he did have to strip totally bare to make 154 on the nose, and clen could have aided with that.

Everyone knows it's the perfect for Mexicans that wants to cheat to use the one thing that gives huge benefits and has a build in excuse for once you get caught. Only way that the excuse can't be used is if a guy gets tested within 2 days after deliberately taking it, and in boxing that barely ever happens. After that the values are almost always consistent with the amount measured from meat contmination.
It's the perfect ped when you're Mexican.

 

It's the same thing in that you have an organization giving a fighter a timetable to fight a mandatory, but obviously the circumstances are very different. Yes he hasn't actually vacated the title yet, but Golovkin's team are already appealing the IBF decision that he must fight Derevyanchenko by August 3rd.

So Golovkin's team are already trying to work with the IBF to allow him more time before he has to fight Derevyanchenko. The basic similarities are there, and you and I both highlighted some of the differences. No need to say "GTFOH with that bull!" like I'm trying to misrepresent anything. There's no reason to fight over this since we're both well aware of the similarities and differences.

Didn't say he beat any world beaters, all I said was he wasn't a pushover and he was a quality opponent. Anybody's who's an undefeated world title holder coming off 8 consecutive KOs is more than a pushover. And by the way, if you were paying attention (and it sounds like you weren't) in the first Williams fight it was Williams who headbutted Smith first, then Smith retaliated and that was all most fans noticed. If you study the tape it is very clear that Williams landed the first heatbutt. And not only that, but Williams was known for headbutting going into the Smith bout and Smith had concerns about headbutts going into the bout.

The rematch was a clear Smith win. It was relatively close but Smith got the better of Williams that night, even after the fight, Williams admitted that the better man won.

I agree that it's a convienient excuse for Mexicans, but it also is a very real problem, so that works both ways.