If Hagler and Hearns fought that same fight 10 times

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    would the outcome always be the same. For the purposes of this question. They don't learn from any previous fight. Each of the 10 fights they fight, are totally new and the first time they fight one another. So if that same fight takes places 10 times, with the same circumstances (sans Hearns hurting his hand every time) does Hagler win 10/10?
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good question. Depends whether Hearns obliges Hagler and fights his fight again. If it's a violent slugfest, he loses every time, imo (but not quite as quickly)
     
  3. McGrain

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    Assuming that weird leg massage/whatever really happened, happens every time, then 10/10 a knockout. Hearns needed to hypnotise Hagler into at least partially boxing with him to have any chance.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    Hearns would never beat Hagler.

    The OP question is strange, because you'd imagine in that case, the fights would be 100% identical, but there's probably some chaos theory stuff that would produce variations, so I don't know.

    Anyway, yeah, Hagler the winner.
     
  5. BCS8

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    Hearns had staggered up Hagler with that punch that he broke his hand with. This is only speculation, but if Tommy hadn't busted his fist like a gra pe on Marvin's marvellous mandible, he may even have had a chance of ... dare I say it ... stopping Hagler. Hearns truly did have pulverising power at his disposal. He was also a slickster when the situation demanded it. It's not inconceivable that he could have outboxed Hagler if he managed to get out of the torrid opening rounds and into deeper waters.

    Having said all that, however, the fact remains that this was one of the times when Hagler knew what he had to do, had the right gameplan against Hearns, and executed it perfectly. Out of a ten fight series I reckon Hagler would win at least seven.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Well Hearns had three plans for this fight. 1) Stick and move. 2) Charge. 3) Smuggle a ****ing rattlesnake in in his trunks and try to get it to ****ing attack Marvin. Steward binned of 3) leaving his fighter with 0 chance of a KO.
     
  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, I thought about excluding that happening, but didn't mention it because I don't know how much of a factor it was. The hand certainly was a factor. I just don't know if the leg massage thing was a post fight excuse or if it was a legit thing that happened and excuse. For the purposes of this thread, if you think he got one and it hindered him... that doesn't happen. If you're aren't sure how negative it was if anything... then just treat it like you already do i.e. not much of a factor.
     
  8. KuRuPT

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    Chaos theory is part of it... but also there are so many variables that happen can happen almost every second that can dictate a change in a fight. To think the fight would play out just the same way, is imo, even more of an odd stance to take.
     
  9. McGrain

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    But is ten times really enough to see Marvin turn an ankle or something? Because I really believe that's what it would take.

    Hagler actually proved he could walk through Hearns. Once that's known I'd say the game is up.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Yes, I agree.
    It would, I believe, be Hagler winning by KO or TKO every time though, so that's same enough for me.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    With a rattlesnake slithering across the ring floor, it's only a matter of time.
     
  12. BCS8

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    :lol::good
     
  13. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For the most part I agree with you bud, but I've seen quite a few people say Hearns wouldn't always fight like that... the hand injury.. he hurt Marvin... Massage thing. So I figured some would believe Hearns could pull out some wins.

    I do think there is some room for Hearns getting on his bike earlier (before he was hurt too bad) and just try and outbox him. He clearly tried to stand toe to toe with Hagler.. it wasn't just Hagler who fought that way. So I guess my question is, you must also believe Hearns would always come at Marvin the same way?
     
  14. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marvin wins all the time. The way I see it, Tommy tried to box Marv a few times in the fight, but he just couldn't keep the Marvelous one off of him.
     
  15. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler 10/10

    See Iran Barkley's 2/2 head to head against Hearns

    No matter how Hearns fought Hagler he would have lost.

    If he'd moved and boxed he would have lasted much longer, but Hagler would have caught up with him.

    At 160, Hearn's didn't have enough strength and power to bother Hagler.

    And, he didn't have the legs to move and box for twelve straight rounds.