If Hagler came back?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Feb 21, 2017.


  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,168
    35,575
    Jan 8, 2017
    After losing to srl Hagler never got the rematch he desired, so that was it. Marvin walked away, never came back. But what if he announced he was going to fight the kalmbay of the barkley fight. Who wins? And if he wins next up is mike mcallum so who gets that one?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    50,937
    24,864
    Jan 3, 2007
    If he somehow got a renewed sense of love for the game and eased himself back into it by taking on a few tuneups then he might have done okay. But Marvin made it pretty clear that he was done after Leonard and without the right motivation a successful comeback would have been very hard at that stage. Kalambay would have been an extremely formidable opponent for an aging and inactive Marvin. He was riding a good winning streak, was a great boxer and very durable. I've always felt that the Micahael Nunn KO loss was a one in a million thing. Mike McCallum probably would have beaten Hagler circa 1989.
     
    Fergy likes this.
  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,168
    35,575
    Jan 8, 2017
    Yes perhaps if he took a few bout s first,shook the rust off. By then perhaps he'd have been able to challenge the barkley who had just ko'd hearns. That's a fight I believe marvin would have been up for. Hagler with at least 3 bouts under his belt could have beaten barkley. A tough fight it would have ended with barkley getting pulled out by his corner with his face swollen and eyes shut. He could even have had a rematch with Duran who had come back in to contention. There was definitely a few names who he could have beaten. Doug de witt for the, wbo title could have been up for grabs. But leonard would still have avoided him!
     
    lloydturnip likes this.
  4. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

    60,195
    80,270
    Aug 21, 2012
    Nah. Hagler was showing clear wear and tear at the end of his career. He would have gotten himself messed up by some young lion, when he didn't need to. Only thing he should have come back for was SRL, but Leonard wasn't having any of that.
     
    Pat M, JackSilver and Reinhardt like this.
  5. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,231
    1,654
    Sep 5, 2016
    Could of fought Dewitt his old sparing partner for the WBO title and got a win but what would be the point? .probably could of beaten Barkley in a tough fight but I think kalambey would of beaten marvin at that point in his career would be a hard fight even for.a.peak Hagler.Marvin got out at the right time a lesson for fighters everywhere.
     
    BCS8 likes this.
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,168
    35,575
    Jan 8, 2017
    Would have been another chapter to his story but suppose like u say , he never came back to be battered by some one in His prime he would have murdered.
     
  7. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,342
    4,348
    Dec 28, 2016
    Legacy cemented like Michael Spinks despite ko loss to Tyson. Nothing to prove as he had
    achieved the recognition and fame he always wanted and big payday he always craved.
    Nothing would have motivated MH like a SRL rematch which he never got. If for some
    unexplained reason Hagler did continue he would be shell of his formerself and would
    lose on points to the first hungry mw tiger he faced.
     
    BCS8 likes this.
  8. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,912
    5,192
    Dec 23, 2008
    I remember that even before the Leonard match, the boxing mags (and there were still a lot of them in the 80s) were already pushing the next generation of young MWs that were going to replace Hagler.The likes of Frank Tate, Michael Nunn and Michael Olajide. Nunn was the only one that would go on to somewhat live up to the hype that they got but it's possible that at the time that it's was the prospect of these young flashy upcomers that influence Hagler to retire if he could not entice Leonard into a rematch. Not that Hagler would have been afraid of them.Probably just couldn't motivate himself to do it all again with the next generation.
     
    mrkoolkevin and JackSilver like this.
  9. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

    41,957
    3,429
    Jun 30, 2005
    Hagler had been getting noticeably slower in defensive reflexes and legs since 1984.

    Barring an unlikely shot like the one Nunn landed, Kalambay probably outspeeds and outboxes Hagler. Same with Nunn.

    Hagler was smart to get out when he did. He had a ton of mileage on him, 67 pro fights and all those amateur fights and tough sparring sessions.
     
  10. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,924
    18,905
    Oct 4, 2016

    That's what I thought, Hagler looked sluggish against Leonard
     
    Clinton and BCS8 like this.
  11. 80s champs

    80s champs Active Member Full Member

    536
    71
    Nov 9, 2005
    Could Hearns have beaten that version of Hagler minus a broken hand?
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    61,033
    45,281
    Feb 11, 2005
    I think he would be too old for GGG.
     
  13. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,469
    13,006
    Oct 12, 2013
    This content is protected
     
    Fergy likes this.
  14. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    2,881
    1,893
    Nov 10, 2012
    Hagler was shopworn and tired. Only the Leanord re match would have made sense.

    Hagler was going to lose his title within the next few defenses and Sugar Ray knew it. HE was a dirty opportunist and I believe he lost the Hagler bout anyway. Hagler was absolutely angry and humiliated at the loss. HE would not have messed around and lost the rematch.

    He probably would have hurt Leonard.

    But, Only the rematch would have made Hagler that kind of fighter again

    He retired and his time was done . Good call on Haglers part.
     
    lloydturnip, Fergy and richdanahuff like this.
  15. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,474
    9,466
    Jun 9, 2010
    Apparently, Hagler was offered a Leonard rematch, in 1990. Hagler refused.