If Hatton beats manny pacquiao does he surpass Calzaghe in the British ATG rankings?

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  1. sebcfc

    sebcfc Member Full Member

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    No.

    For me you have to look at the fighters, Joe is a much better fighter than Ricky, just watch the tapes.
     
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  2. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    in some ways it is, he wasnt clear favourate for the kessler fight, i remember reading a mag just before the fight and it was splitting experts 50,50

    the same with hopkins

    im not going with bookies favourates im talking about experts predictions
     
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  3. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not for me...

    Hatton is nowhere near as good a boxer as Calzaghe and Pacquiao isn't in his natural weight class...

    For me the rankings are about more than just best wins.
     
    ryanm8655, Mar 19, 2009
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  4. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    of course not.

    even if Hatton beats Pac then his best wins are against a smaller guy and a 'name' fighter who was half-retired before the fight and has never fought since. At least Hopkins fought after the Calzaghe fight and showed himself to have plenty left in the tank. And Kessler is undoubtedly very good.
    That's just going on best wins and Calzaghe wins on that, let alone all the other factors to assess how is the better of the 2. Calzaghe way better.
     
    Betty Swollocks, Mar 19, 2009
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  5. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The bookies are the experts otherwise they would be out of business. Sadly "expert" writers are not held accountable for what they say.

    Going into that fight Calzaghe was supposed to dispose of that version of Hopkins easily - he didn't. He was supposed to win that fight clearly, there is no two ways around it. Not being hard on Calzaghe but that's just the way it was. You can't go saying it was a 50/50 fight going into it when it never ever was. In hindsight it looks a lot more tricky now, but at the time Calzaghe was a fairly clear favourite (due to Hopkins age and two recent losses) - that's just the fact.
     
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  6. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not true all the time though.

    I won £80 when Hopkins beat Pavlik at 4/1! I couldn't believe those odds at the time.

    If I wasn't so skint at that moment in time I could have won a lot more.
     
    toffeejack, Mar 19, 2009
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  7. Diablo

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    Calzaghe was the superior fighter with the far greater talent.

    I wouldnt say their records were equally padded...Calzaghe was 22-0 when he won his first world title, Hatton was 38-0. Say what u want about the WBO but Joe's defences were against a superior class of fighter than the WBU victims Ricky was fed.

    Pacman would be a great win for Hatton but he need to do more imo.
     
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  8. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    no, calzaghe has the better resume and better natural ability!

    calzaghe can adapt to his opponent, whereas ricky has one gear and thats it!its a pretty good gear it must be said, but still only 1.....
     
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  9. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    load of rubbish the guy thats beats the better fighters will be the one ranked higher.
     
    rydersonthestorm, Mar 19, 2009
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  10. Mike_S

    Mike_S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, for fighting and beating fighters more in their prime and proven at a higher level.
     
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  11. Kid Lucky

    Kid Lucky Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No - but I can't think of many others who've will have had as much success over in US of A in big fights.
     
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  12. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    bookies are not experts, you can find silly odds quite easily
     
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  13. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So why aren't we all multi millionaires?

    Anyway, I'm not disputing that.

    You said for the Hopkins fight, Hopkins was more or less the favourite. I simply said that that was not true - as it wasn't true. Calzaghe was very much, widly, expected to win that fight - that is the fact of the matter. It's something that would not have been the case 5 or 6 years earlier.
     
    JonOli, Mar 19, 2009
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  14. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    No, what you've just said is a load of rubbish. If Hatton beats Pac he will have 2 wins (pac and tszyu) bigger than any of Floyd Mayweathers. Does that mean Hatton is better than Mayweather ??

    Terrible logic
     
    yesihavearm2, Mar 19, 2009
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  15. p.Townend

    p.Townend Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hatton is already way above Calzaghe for me.
     
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