If Hatton beats manny pacquiao does he surpass Calzaghe in the British ATG rankings?

This is a good question, I don't see why people are getting so steamed up about it. If you are looking at boxing ability then I'd say JC is the better fighter but fighters are also judged by their careers, who they won and lost to and (to a lesser extent IMHO) the titles they picked up/ defended. I think purely on records then Calzaghe and Hatton are pretty close and it depends whether you favour the unbeaten record and length of Calzghes reign or the better quality (IMHO!! don't shoot!!!) of Hattons wins should he beat Pac.

I'll get my tin hat.....;O)

 

Better quality of Hatton's my ASS!

 

It depends on how much weight you put on the Zoo and Pac wins. Calzaghe doesn't have much in that class...Hopkins and Kessler come closest but they're not as impressive.

 

Hatton hasn't beaten Pac yet and won't. Infact that is going to be defeat #2.

As it is his record is not as good. Tszyu is not as good as Hopkins, never was never will be. There is nobody of the quality of Kessler, shot ass Castillo does not cut it compared to a prime undefeated fighter.

 

Zoo is a better win than Hopkins IMO, Calzaghe did what Taylor managed a couple of years earlier, Hopkins was at that stage of his career when he couldn't deal with busy boxers. Kessler needs to pull his finger out if he's going to fluff up Calzaghes legacy like had been hoped.

Oh, and Hatton has beaten Pac for the purposes of this thread....:deal

 

You didn't even speak in relation to the thread. You said purely on record Calzaghe and Hatton are close. Which they are not. You didn't even mention Pacquiao.

Tszyu was not better than Hopkins at all. He had just the same problem against "busy" fighters infact, the only difference is he had this problem his entire career and was never the class of Hopkins, never had the resume of Hopkins, and will never have the legacy of Hopkins. Infact Hopkins has far better technique to deal with "busy" boxers as he is an excellent counterpuncher and defensive fighter as well as inside, whereas Tszyu always needed time to think, and space to get leverage on his money punch.

Come again!

 

WTF are you on? The question in the thread title asks "If Hatton beats Manny...", thats been the starting point for all 3 of my posts...assume Hatton beats Pac then answer the question and/ or comment.

BTW I think you'll find I've mentioned Pac in every post I've made as well.....

 

I didn't read your post.

 

Well I suppose thats fair enough.

I'd personally rank Calzaghe higher even after a Pac win but I don't understand the outrage at the suggestion that some people would think differently, I don't think there would be THAT much in it. That was the main point I was trying get across.

 

I think it is outrageous.

But then again I've been celebrating St Patricks day late at the Irish bar. Downed 8 pints of Guiness

 

An Irish bar in Iceland?:shock:

 

Blaming the Irish:twisted::twisted::twisted:

You're worse than Frank Warren after DeGale's debut you are.

 

Hmm there seems to be an Irish bar everywhere in the world. Certainly where I've been.

 

If Hatton beats Manny Pac he does surpass Calzaghe in the ratings, he must do, these are the facts as i see them,

Hatton and Calzaghe have fought planty of bums and nobodies during they're respective careers but Calzaghe has never had to face 2 guys that are P4P number 1 in the world. Floyd beat Hatton but there was never anybody remotely as good as Floyd in the Calzaghe division.
I personally dont see Manny Pac in the same league as Floyd Mayweather but he is PFP 1 and once again there was never anybody in Calzaghe's division remotely as good as Pac ..
Joe Calzaghe was a great fighter, dont get me wrong although for me he had the most annoying style in boxing history and the judges were fooled constantly. His powder puff, inaccurate 'flurries' against Hopkins were embarrassing for a veteran fighter, he only won that fight because Hopkins was lazy and the judges had to score Joe for coming forward all night, in reality he hit Hopkins with nothing ..
Lacy was nothing but a hype job. To some Calzaghe fans, Kessler is the greatest fighter of all time but the jury is out on him for me. Robin Reid ran Joe closer than Kessler and nobody is shouting about Reid being a superstar ..

To sum up - Hatton and Calzaghe have similarities, they both fought tons of bums and 2nd rate fighters. The legacy of both fighters hinge on victories over past they're best, former great fighters. But Ricky has the chance to go one better, to actually beat a guy that is regarded all around the world as the best fighter on the planet .. Joe never had the chance to do that, so of course if Hatton wins he goes one better than Joe ......