If Hatton Is A Blown Up Junior Welter, Mayweather Is A Blown Up Junior Lightweight!!

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  1. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guys,

    All this bull**** about how Hatton was a blown up Junior Welterweight and using that as an excuse for him losing to Mayweather is ridiculous. As people may or may not know, Mayweather started his career at 130 and has moved up to Junior Middleweight and back down to 147. He walks around at 150, and could still make 140 if he wanted to. Hatton walks around at 165lbs and started his career at 140. Hatton is naturally 10lbs heavier than Floyd. Do you really think that if this fight occured at 140, the result would have been different? So you are saying that if Hatton had to cut another 5 pounds of fat (he came in at 145) he would have fared better? That's absurd.

    Hatton was outclassed, it's as simple as that. Mayweather was an average 140 pounder, and is a small welterweight. This was not an issue or size, it was an issue of skill. Let's say that Hatton had to make 140 for the fight, and weighed about 145-150 on fight night and Floyd had to make 140 for the fight and weighed 147-150 on fight night, would that really have mattered? The answer is no, so stop the bull****.
     
  2. TFFP

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    No **** Einstein

    The only thing we learnt from both this and the Collazo fight is that Hatton is not suited to fighting at 147. His physical strength is one of his major attributes, and it's a non issue at the higher weight
     
  3. surreal deal

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  4. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Einstein, my point was that that would be a good point if he was facing a natural welter in Floyd. Floyd himself is not a natural welter and has been called a light puncher above 135lbs. Do you get that, or are you a brick? The same thing would have happened had they fought at 140 when Floyd was fighting down there. Did you not learn how great Mayweather is, or are you not giving him any credit and being a hater?
     
  5. southpaw1974

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  6. TFFP

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    What are you rambling on about, you complete and utter spastic

    I gave Mayweather full credit for the win. He would win at 135, 140 or 147

    The thread was ****ing pointless. Only a few cretins think the weight made any difference. If we are going to create threads based on what a tiny minority of idiots think, this place would be littered with shite. I was simply making the observation that Hatton does not have the style to scale the weights

    Cheerio
     
  7. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, agreed but initially when you made the comment about it proving that Hatton didn't belong at 147, it seemed to imply that size and not skill was the difference in the fight. Again, when Floyd was at 140, the same thing would have happened. If Hatton had fought a guy like Cintron, that would have been a good arguement.
     
  8. TFFP

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    Ricky Hatton should never be fighting above 140, ever. He had to against Mayweather, because it was an opportunity he couldn't afford to miss, and as you say Mayweather isn't a big guy. That said, he grows into the weight far better than Hatton, on fight night he looked bigger for my money

    Hatton is a disaster waiting to happen at the higher weights. Even Billy Graham never wanted him to do it. It's just common sense, he's an inside fighter that likes to use his physical strength to bully his opponents. His boxing skills aren't great, and hence when he can't bully the bigger men he hasn't got a chance
     
  9. cougnuts510

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    he had time to grow into a welterweight body. that makes a difference
     
  10. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Any UK members listen to Talksport? Every caller after the fight was saying 'Hatton lost becasue he was at the wrong weight' - and the presenters were agreeing. Notice, they didn't think it was a factor, but the actual reason that Mayweather won. Even a lot of the boxing 'experts' spewed the same line.
     
  11. TFFP

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    Talksport is reknowned for its high proportion of complete dullards

    The football call ins are cringeworthy. These people know nothing about boxing, nothing about sport as a whole, and nothing about life

    They are just idiots that jumped on the Ricky Hatton bandwagon, and I would know, my dad was one of them

    Definitely not representative of hardcore British fight fans
     
  12. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agreed, and remember that when he fought Tszyu who was stronger and hit harder, Tszyu wasn't able to do what Floyd did to him. Floyd is only about an inch taller than Tszyu (who walks around at about 160lbs and started his career at 140 as well). Hatton wasn't able to bully Mayweather like he did Tszyu. People will argue the ref made the difference, but again I'm willing to give Floyd's skill a lot more credit than they are. Mayweather really shut a lot of people up with his performance. You'll never shut everyone up, but he shut up plenty.
     
  13. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Right - but its does imo represent a good cross-section of fans generally.

    Even the boxing 'experts' (commentators, 'writers' etc) went on and on about Hatton being "at the wrong weight" - the implication is clear.

    edit: sorry, that was @ TFFP
     
  14. TFFP

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    I don't know about that

    Remember the reaction straight after a fight is fuelled by emotion rather than boxing logic

    I think most would say that Hatton is not at his peak @ 147, but it didn't cost him the fight. Certainly 2 of the pundits for Sky had Mayweather winning to begin with
     
  15. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Again, if Hatton was facing a natural welterweight like Cintron, it would have held some water. Him not having to cut another 5 lbs and facing a guy the size of Floyd who himself is a natural 135-140 pounder makes it really hard to argue the weight factor.