If Hatton-Pac has indeed gone down the shitter....

The guy has only ever fought two people shorter then him his entire career (getting on for 50 fights) - he's a small JWW.

Whatever Hatton does you will obviously discredit it. Having a go at him for trying to fight the P4P no1 hottest property in boxing at the moment - just proves that. Pac didn't just beat Oscar - he absolutely destroyed him, and Diaz too.

You criticise pac for going to Welter to fight Mayweather - get real.

Playing the purest, fight at your own weight, card - to beat a boxer with - doesn't work if (either all): the division is weak - there are no distinguished opponents available - boxers have already more then once proved themselves at their own weight - they're going to take on a live ATG - or the odds are really stacked against them.


Do you honest believe that we think you will give credit to Hatton for him beating Bradley? A guy who has only ever beat two top 50 rated guys at JWW (a weak div'), and yet you'd ridicule Hatton for beating the P4P no1, future HOF and ATG who just destroyed an opponent at a higher weight (for which he was a huge underdog going into the fight), and had totally destroyed a belt holder at 135 before that - but we have to believe that you would hail a win over Bradley - I'm sorry but I am sceptical.

 

Hatton isn't the greatest fighter in the world by any means, but please give him credit for being willing to take on or try and take on fights where he is the underdog.

 

Not at all but it was your derisory tone (regarding Pac's leftovers) that made me comment.

Some people seem to think that Pac is truly invincible and I fail to see why. He is undoubtedly a great fighter but has had some debatable or at least close decisions over the past few years. Decisions that could have gone either way.

Many here claim that Hatton will be destroyed by Pac based on what they saw in the DLH fight. Come on, DLH is as shot as shot gets. Give Hatton some credit.

 

Jmm

 

Hatton is a ****ing huge light welterweight. In fact he's a light middle in the ring or at least the higher end of welter. In any case, he point was Hatton spent most of his SN days fighting lightweights and superfeatherweights and it's not something he should revert to now.

If you say so. Or perhaps I don't like Pac jumping weights for money, or Mayweather for that matter, DLH himself, Barrera when he was hot property. All I said was, in not so many words, Hatton could fight every couple of months and clean out the division if he wanted to, that would mean a lot more than fighting one chequebook opponent a year and maybe one tuneup. savvy?

Well actually I didn't, mainly because i hasn't happened. I said I'm not that bothered about these celebrity deathmatch fights. Does your team only bother playing manu, chelsea or Arsenal? If so how do you feel about it?

playing a card am I has it occured to you that it might really be my opinion and not just a way to bash someone?
It's not a weak division at all, not as deep as proper welter but hardly shallow. Is Welter weak because the only unretired 'name' in the division is Cotto? "distinguished opponents" what claptrap you're talking. Ok Pacs an all time great, what's he doing fighting DLH and Hatton for? Money. Balls to money, they're all millionaires.

I don't give a toss if you think I'd give credit to Hatton for wiping his arse blindfold to be honest, I don't know who you are and what you think won't make me lose any sleep. But yes, I'd give him props for beating a good, young undefeated fighter from his own weightclass, then baring a cut he could fight one of the other guys a couple of months later (why not a couple of weeks?) and then another. That's what great fighters did hen they still existed, not one £multi million fight a year.
Now, I don't see how I've "ridicule(d) Hatton for beating the P4P no1, future HOF and ATG who just destroyed an opponent at a higher weight (for which he was a huge underdog going into the fight), and had totally destroyed a belt holder at 135 before that" When did I do that, the fight hasn't happened and looks like it won't. I think it's be a good achievement beaten Pac, but I'd rather Hatton beat all the top guys in his division in a year than beat Pac, knock over a no hoper seven or eight months later and hope Mayweather will fight him again. I just se this issue as a good little illustration of one of the things that is wrong with boxing, namely the top fighters chasing millions instead of doing what they do because they like it. You have got your back up over nothing boyo.
for the record, would you rather Pac had battered the clearly shot to bits DLH or fought Marquez again, he being a fighter Pacquiao has yet to conclusively prove he can beat? You're clearly one of these guys who likes to play fantasy accountant, why not think about what's good for the sport in the long term instead of how much money your ickle favourite boxer is going to make?

 

****ing balls

 

Basically you are having a dig at Hatton for all that is wrong with boxing and for not fighting every other month. I too would like to see boxers fight every couple of months, but that is not the way it is now, and ripping into Hatton for not doing so is harsh to say the least. Anyway Hatton absolutley bashed out opponents every few months during his WBU days (if that's your bag) - he's not the worst culprit of fighting infrequently. I look forward to your posts in practically every other thread ripping into every other boxer for not fighting every couple of months too.

Hatton has just beat the ring ranked no1 contender in his division - there are no other real established opponents at JWW. Hatton would be a red hot favourite to beat them all. You see Hatton fighting a guy, one that Hatton would be clearly expected to beat, who has only ever beat 2 top 50 ranked JWW opponents, as more worth then fighting a guy Hatton would go in as an underdog or at best a short favourite against.

Hatton has probably 1 possibly 2 more fights left. I'd like him to go out with two big competitive names. You speak like he is just starting out - the guy has had 46 fights. What is fighting an unproven fringe, ABC (newly acquired) belt holder going to do for him now(compared to names like JMM, and Pac on his resume). He has beaten better opponents in the past.

PS nobody laughs at ickle or Wicky comments anymore.

If you don't like the sound of it then fair enough -suit yourself - but I think Hatton fighting the winner of Baby Bull V JMM would be a superb fight.

 

Its off
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7826510.stm

Hatton DLH anyone?

 

I can't believe this fight has fallen through because of percentages. Surely Manny is gonna except 50-50 and fight because he wants to fight?

JMM has to be the next best option for Hatton. He pushed Manny close in their first fight but had a little too much to do after the first round disaster. He won the rematch IMO by winning the last round, although the fight was very close and could have gone either way. Anyway, Manny more than met his match in the two JMM fights so he's the obvious choice.

I actually think Ricky will find it harder to beat JMM. Marquez has been very impressive in his last few outings and has shown what a smart fighter he is inside the ring. His dismantling of Casamayor was very impressive. He will have his hands full with Juan Diaz but i fully expect him to win a decision there.

Hatton v Marquez would be a great fight.

 

I thought Arum was topping up Pacquiaos purse out of his own pocket to make the fight happen?

 

I'm not bashing him for anything, I'm just saying I don't really care if the fight doesn't happen because it doesn't impact on anything. If Pac wins he buggers off to fight Mayweather and then whomever else is a big money fight at whichever weight leaving yet another division without a linear champion, if Hatton wins he goes for DLH or the Mayweather rematch then probably retires, same scenario. It's not good for the sport, in fact it's wwf matchmaking, great fight or not. Clearly you think I hate Hatton, I don't, I'm not really a fan of his either, I think he's a dirty fighter, not particularly good to watch because of the wrestling and home town reffing and he's taken the soft option throughout most of his career but he's obviously a good bloke. I don't "hate" any fighter but I'm as free to criticise as te next man. Hatton isn't above criticism just because he's affable any more than Calzaghe is just because sell outs like Barry McGuigan say he is.

 

Pacman is a bell end at the negotiating table it seems

Not just this fight, the Oscar fight too, and other incidents along the way

 

Do you really believe it works like that? That would be like suggesting footballers negotiate all their own contracts. I must say also, I don't think Arum has handled this whole thing particularly well.

 

Who knows what offer was on the table - it was probaly a ridiculous offer from the hatton CAMP for all we know

 

how about a pretty boy rematch, same date, same venue?