If Hatton wins vs Pac, will you rank him ahead of Calzaghe in P4P rank?

i really dont know just felt like sayin it:nut

 

dont be an idiot!

the height difference between manny and hatton is an inch!

hatton going up to light-heavyweight would be dis-proportionate in relation to manny going up to junior-welter!the height difference would be at least 3 inches for hatton!some people just mature faster then others!

so i`ll bring it back to your statement being ridiculous!!!

agreed manny is the smaller man, but only a weight class below!again roach says 140 is his natural weight!

 

erm i think he was joking

 

no

 

obviously he was about hatton going to light-heavy! but he is using this analogy to make his point, i am just pointing out both the analogy and point are incorrect!!

 

I don't know what you want from me. I simply do not agree with you.

I do not agree with you that Ricky Hatton is a natural 135-140lbs fighter when he has never fought at 135, not once in his career, not even in his first fight as a youngster, and when he has fought at 147 numerous times and even won a world title there. I just can't work out your reasoning for saying he is a 135-140lbs fighter, to me that makes no sense at all.

Look at the best lww's ever, guys who spent the majority of their careers there or had lasting title reigns there: Aaron Pryor 5'6 1/2", Kostya Tszyu 5'7" and 67" reach, JC Chavez 5'7 1/2" and 68" reach, Pernell Whitaker 5'6".

What is it about Ricky Hatton's height of 5'7 1/2" and 65" reach that tells you he doesn't have the frame of a light-welterweight, when he has fought there from the first day of his professional boxing career?

Ricky Hatton has never fought below lww and he was not comfortable at ww. He is the very definition of a natural lww.


Turning to Manny Pacquiao, I will again use the example of Thomas Hearns.

Hearns began his career as a welterweight, and was one of the best welterweights and light-middleweights of all-time. Because he was 6ft 1in tall, this allowed him to move up and fight at light-heavyweight and even cruiserweight later in his career.

Now, by the measuring tape, Hearns will have had a height and reach advantage on many guys he fought at lhw and cruiser.

Does that mean he was a natural lhw or cruiser?? No.
Does that mean losses he incurred at lhw and cruiser were as damaging to his greatness/legacy as if he had incurred them at his natural/peak fighting divisions? No.

Because he was never meant to fight there, he purposefully put on weight to try and win world titles at as many weight classes as possible and thus be regarded as a true ATG of the sport.

Manny Pacquiao won his first world title at flyweight (112lbs). He spent the majority of his top flight career, his physical peak years, at 122-130lbs. Now he is aged 30 he has purposefully bulked up on muscle to chase greatness, glory and money available to him at 140-147lbs.

That does not mean he is a natural lww on an equal playing field with Hatton, same as Hearns. Pac and Hearns may fulfill the weight category and they may match up to fighters of their weight class by the measuring tape, but with them the weight was not natural, it was added on purpose to allow them to fight at a certain weight and go for glory.


I'm bored of going over this now, I'm packing this thread in.

Like I said on the first page, I think Hatton beating Pac would be a sensational victory, and Hatton will deserve all the credit in the world for one of the finest wins of the decade, and it would be enough in my opinion to have him make a significant jump, 5 places, up to 5th to displace the excellent Israel Vasquez.

However, I do not think one win over a naturally smaller fighter from the lower weights (Pac was fighting at superfeather less than a year ago, let us not forget that!) justifies Hatton being considered one of the clear top 4 elite fighters that we have in the world just now.

It is a great win, it justifies him making a significant jump of 5 places, but I do not believe that this win means Hatton is on a par with Marquez, Calzaghe, Hopkins and Pacquiao.

In the past year, Pacquiao has won fights at 3 weights (has scaled 4 different divisions though), including a win over the p4p#2, a KO victory to take a world title at a 5th weight division, and he became the first former flyweight world champion in history to win a fight at welterweight (I think so anyway, Carpentier may have done so also, I would need to check that out).

In the past year, Marquez has taken the p4p#1 to a split decision that many felt he won (Marquez being similar in size naturally to Pacquiao unlike Hatton), KO'd The Ring lightweight champion to win a world title at a 3rd weight division, and is next going to fight a top ranked lightweight in Juan Diaz.

Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins have unified their divisions in the past, and have both had some significant victories recently which I believe underline the fact that they are superior boxers to Ricky Hatton at this stage.


In the past year Ricky Hatton has been outclassed and knocked out by Floyd Mayweather, looked awful in beating the merely decent Juan Lazcano and wasn't far away from being stopped himself, then had a very good win over Paulie Malignaggi.

Would this win over the naturally smaller Pacquiao be enough to take Hatton from 10th into the top four?

Personally, I don't think so. But as I said on the first page of this thread, if you do then fair enough, it's a valid viewpoint. :good

 

Is your boxing knowledge centred mainly around ****ing height?? It's all you seem to go on about.

Height, my foolish friend, is NOT a barometer for who is natural at a given weight division.

Some examples:

ALEXIS ARGUELLO, one of the finest super-featherweights of all-time, is the same height as MIKE TYSON, one of the finest heavyweights of all-time.

Former WBO welterweight champion PAUL WILLIAMS is 6'1", same height as fellow former welterweight champion THOMAS HEARNS - which is taller than MIKE TYSON, SAM PETER, DAVID TUA, JOE FRAZIER, etc etc etc...


Thomas Hearns was a welterweight (147lbs) who fought at cruiserweight (190lbs). Was he a natural cruiserweight?? He was the height for it.

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