If Hatton wins vs Pac, will you rank him ahead of Calzaghe in P4P rank?

If Hatton wins convincingly, he's top 4 or 5. He could get top 3 depending on how good a showing he gives.

Short of a dissappointing performance by Manny, which is highly doubtful, he should stick to top 5 if he loses. I think JMM ascends to #1 if Hatton beats Pac, especially if he beats Diaz which is what I expect will happen.

To get #1, I think Hatton needs to beat JMM. Just my opinion though.

 

I think something's wrong with your list buddy :think

. . . if Pac loses, Hatton will defnitely go up . . . but Pacquaio will go down in the list.

What do you think?

 

Explain why. What would Marquez have done that is more impressive than what Hatton would have done? Why wouldn't it be JMM that would need to beat Hatton to get to number one?

 

Well you could say that he has done more in a p4p sense winning titles from 126-135.

If he beats Baby Bull thats another great scalp that consolidates his position.

And despite what the record books say most people seem to agree that he is at the very least 1-1 with Manny in their series.

Thats an arguement I guess.

 

It's an argument, but I don't find it a particularly persuasive one.

When Hopkins fought Trinidad, Hopkins was considered borderline top ten P4P and Trinidad number three. Trinidad had done more in a P4P sense than Hopkins. But Hopkins win propelled him not only above Trinidad, but to the number one spot.

 

I thought Tito was number 2 in between the Joppy and Hopkins fights??

 

Possibly, I was working from memory. Same argument either way. Hopkins beat him and went above him, despite Trinidad's previous achievements.

 

I think Nard's level of dominance played a roll in that aswell though.

If Hatton were to edge past either, possibly in an unconvincing fashion, could well play a part in where he gets ranked.

 

Not in my eyes.

The question is entirely dependent on whether you go along with judges' decisions as they are in reality, or whether you make your list based on your own opinions of judges' decisions.

If you blindly go with judges' decisions, then maybe you would subscribe to the view that Cobbler does, as you would have Marquez as losing to Pacquiao last year.

I base my lists on my own opinions. I have Marquez joint first with Pacquiao because I had JMM winning their last fight by a point. I have Pac joint with him because I think Pac won their 1st fight by 2 points, because he has achieved more, has a better resume, and has been superb over the past year, and their 2nd fight was so so close that it didn't really answer any questions as to who the greater fighter is, a third fight is essential. For me they are a clear and undisputed top 2.

If Hatton beat Pac, JMM would go clear as the number 1.

Does wins over Lazcano, Malignaggi (same size or smaller) and Pacquiao (naturally smaller man) equal wins over Pacquiao (same size), Casamayor and Diaz (naturally larger men)? I don't think they do. Casa and Diaz are both better fighters p4p than Lazcano and Malignaggi - and those wins will have been achieved at 2 weight divisions above Marquez's natural.

No way does Hatton deserve to be above JMM if he beats Pac after JMM has beaten Diaz, not even close.

 

if pac loses to hatton

1. calzaghe
2. hatton
3. hopkins
4. pac
5. jmm

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Calzaghe would be #1 if he beat Dawson..and Pac-Man lost

 

No, because Hatton should be able to beat Pacquiao, he is the natural 140 lb fighter & DLH was a disgrace vs Pacman & that is the MAIN reason that most favour Pac vs Hatton.

Calzaghe is simply a better fighter than Hatton, always has been & its not gonna change now if he beats Manny tho admittedly I would move Ricky up a few places but not as far as no2.


Botswana :smoke

 

:good

 

Predictably illogical. How would Hatton beating Pac suddenly mean Calzaghe and Hopkins ranked above JMM?? Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

I think what they are pushing is that because Pac beat JMM, then subsequently loses to Hatton, JMM's status is affected.

A fighter who loses can be made to look worse if the guy that beat them is subsequently beaten themselves.

Can't say I agree.