IF Haye beats the bros

I doubt that would ever happen. Can he pull a Valuev and pot shot the whole nite to a victory? I doubt it. The K's are too good with their hands to let that happen.

 

he wouldn't deserve to be there and I'm a Haye fan.

If he beats both brothers and he is true to his word he will never defend his crown.

 

Im a Haye fan but he isn't a ATG Heavyweight. Lots of other fighters better than he is. But he is the 2nd greatest cruiser behind Holyfield

 

Neither brother makes the ATG HW top 10 list at this point. How on earth would Haye get ranked if he beat both of them and retired on the spot?

Of course, if he demolished both of them and then continued to rule the division for 3-4 years blowing away one contender after another and retire otherwise unbeaten we'd be talking a solid ATG ranking in my book.

 

In my opinion it does. Longevity is *ALWAYS* a factor. The better the opposition the higher the rating obviously, but longevity is a factor.

Where do you rate Buster Douglas for winning the unified heavyweight championship? Had he retired after wiping the floor with Tyson by your definition he should be a top 10 HW ATG?

The discipline, determination and ability to gain a (unified) title and defend it over a number of years vs. reasonably skilled opponents is definitely necessary to crack the top 10 HW ATG IMO.

Just my two cents.

 

Viriaty of opponents.
A boxer can look amazing against one type of opponent, and beïng beaten soundly by another type. Just look at the guy in my avy... Ali got beaten by Frazier and Norton, and Foreman blasted them away like they were bums. If Foreman quit boxing after he beat the current champs with ease, he would be concidered the most dangerous boxer ever. Only now we know that he could be beaten by another type of fighter, so we now want to see a champion reign for a while against a variation of boxers.

edit: And what madballster said while I was typing this up.

 

Because he'd be entirely cleaning out the division in dominant fashion, and it would still be improving his resumé. That would be like saying if Haye was in the '70's and beat Ali [using hypotheticals here, not saying any of this would happen] there would be no point fighting Foreman and Frazier and beating them because he'd already have beaten the best.

 

3rd.

 

How about beating a TOP10 ranked HW?

 

the Klitchkos are never going to be ranked that high on the atg list and even if haye beats them neither will he simply because the division is soo poor.

Vitali has had one real defining fight which he lost against lewis you can argue either way but we will never know who would of won that fight if it had continued...depends who your a fan of i guess.

Wlad has never had a career defining fight simply because there is nobody around, haye is the only fight there that comes anywhere close to defining but then haye hasn't really done anything at heavyweight.

Haye was unified champ at cruiserweight but really its quite a weak division, although he did well going to france to beat mormeck an then to destroy enzo in 2. he could really use another 6 big fights at heavyweight to be an atg but there isnt 6 big fighters there for that.

 

I dont consider Haye a great heavyweight, just a very good one.

Doing to double over the Klits would be huge, but its the tyupe of acheivement that will be underratted as how good the Klits really are is still up for debate. Some think theyre are great and some think they are lucky to around in such a weak era of heavyweights.

I wouldnt put Haye anywhere near the top 10 heavyweights ever if he beats both Klitschkos.

 

No-one beats bros.

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Haye will not beat them.