If Haye beats Valuev, he should be moved ahead of Vitali in the HW rankings

Donald miscounted the rounds he won and let the fight slip away, after winning 5 rounds not barely, but dominating against Valuev. Klitschko didn't lose 10 seconds of his fight with a younger, better Donald, and knocked him out. If Haye wins, he is #3 or 4, on par with Chagaev.

 

they are 13 yr old british wankers...:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Why don't they throw their weight behind a British heavy who's actually undefeated and has a cooler name to boot? :think

Where are all the Fury fans??

 

socrates, I have nothing against Brits though I take a few pot shots now and again when your countrymen hype someone beyond reason. Eubank is one of my favorite boxers.

 

You say it only leaves Donald, but the Donald fight was close as hell too, and could've easily gone his way if he was Sauerland's price cow like Valuev was.. on the other hand, Vitali dominated Donald, knocking him down 4 times to a TKO victory.

In these rankings, what you've done recently is what's most important.
Vitali has:

-Dominated Peter, the legit WBC champion, stopped him in 8
-Dominated Gomez, a legit top5 guy, stopped him in 8
-Dominated Arreola, a legit top5 guy, stopped him in 10

All one-sided stoppage wins.

Valuev has:

-A bogus decision win over a 46 year, unrated old Holyfield - maybe he was holding back, maybe not. Note that Ibragimov completely dominated a 3 year younger Evander.
-Dominated Liakhovic, who had been inactive, looked like **** and was unranked
-Beat Ruiz, a legit top10 guy, but again a close fight
-Beat Bergeron, an unranked top20 guy
-Lost to Chagaev


Even if we throw out the Chagaev loss because it's two years ago, it pales by comparison to what Vitali did the last 12 months.

 

Why? Vitali is currently ranked no lower than #2 in any serious list.

 

:rofl

 

:thumbsup

 

Stacy McKinley: “Vitali Klitschko is probably the best thinking fighter heavyweight since Muhammad Ali. He’s a very smart, intelligent fighter. Very smart,” said McKinley last week in an interview we did in New York City. “He can box, he can throw punches from all angles. He can move. He can take a punch. He’s tall. He’s busy. He’s very hard to hit. Good thinker. Oh, he’s a helluva thinker.”

McKinley got a close up view of the WBC Heavyweight champion in Berlin last year while working with Samuel Peter. “That’s what I said when I fought him with Samuel Peters. I said, Don’t try to think with this guy. Don’t try to out-box or out-think this guy. Get in there and fight this guy. But he want to sit back and try to out-think him. You can’t do it. And I told him, He’s probably the smartest heavyweight I’ve seen in the ring since Muhammad Ali. And I’ve seen a lot of good fighters. Larry Holmes and all them were good fighters but they weren’t good thinkers. This guy Vitali is a great thinker. It seems like he knows what you’re gonna do before you start to do it. So he’s very, very, very cagey. I don’t think nobody can beat him.”

When I ask which fight or fights of Vitali were most impressive which convinced him to become a believer, he replies, “Well, the Lennox Lewis fight. The left-hander he fought that beat his brother (Corrie Sanders). All these guys he fought. He’s just so smart. He moves good. A real intelligent fighter.”

Then I suggest something many pundits have not yet begun to accept or contemplate. Is Vitali one of the heavyweight greats of all time? McKinley does not disagree. “One of the greats and that’s what I said. I told him. I haven’t seen one that smart since Muhammad Ali. I told him after the fight with Peters, post press conference. Smartest I’ve seen as far as thinking. Most of the guys can’t think that well. He’s just great, man, a great thinker. Since Muhammad Ali. He’s that smart.”

Does Cristobal Arreola have any chance to beat Vitali? “No,” replies McKinley without a hint of doubt. “Three or four rounds he might get knocked out. He can’t beat that kid. Standing up too straight, he ain’t got the chin or the skills. This guy, like I tell you, he knows what he’s doing. And I was talking to his brother Wladimir, he was down in Miami. I said, Have you and your brother ever sparred together?

“Wladimir said, No, we’re too competitive. I said, Let me tell you something. That’s a smart boy. He said, Yeah, he’s very hard to fight. I said, You don’t have to tell me. He’s very hard. He’s the best heavyweight out there. I don’t think anybody can beat him.”

Does McKinley believe Vitali is the superior heavyweight fighter to Wladimir? “Oh yeah. He’d knock Wladimir out. Wladimir’s got good, basic fundamentals but he couldn’t do nothing with that kid. Kid’s too good, man. And I knew we were gonna have a hard fight with Samuel Peters. I said, Go in and put pressure on, cut the ring off and fight him. Don’t think with him. Don’t try to out-box him. Because you can’t out-think him. You’ve got to fight him. But he tried to think and you saw what happened. It was no contest. He quit.”

 

Right now, I don't care. I just want to see Haye in the ring at HW period. He got me all excited and now there is nothing to show for it. I want to see him in the ring and hear less talk.

 

That's where I'm at.

Frankly, I want David Haye to do well. But to truly get that buzz back? The hurdle is clear: He's got to knock out Valuev. Not simply win, but KO the giant with the granite chin. We say "Timmmbbberrrr", and Haye's eyes start flashing dollar signs.

He does that, and the bandwagon and hype for a Klitschko fight are going to fill up in a hurry. I'd like to see if he's got it in him.

 

**** that coward Haye hope that big show ko his ass.

 

I'm not really a Haye hater, I'm a Haye hype machine hater. Being undisputed CW champ doesn't amount to much in the heavyweight world if you can't and won't mix it with the big guys. When Evander stepped up in weight, he earned his shot at the titles by fighting whoever he could, making his way up the ranks through hard work, he had at least 5-6 fights before he even got near a title.

David Haye has had 2 heavyweight fights. Against no-one of any real regard. I still can't figure out how he got a shot so easily.

 

You are an idiot

 

since when does beating the #3 guy move you ahead of the #2 guy?