If Haye beats Vitali, and/or Wlad convincingly would he rank above...

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  1. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Haye beat Vitali, and/or Wlad convincingly would he rank higher, all time, then fellow Brit Calzaghe?

    *Everything else remaining equal*
     
    JonOli, Dec 16, 2008
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  2. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    hell no ... he would have to reign at a weight for the next 10 + years and become undisputed champion of a division before he can claim that ... and he would have to remain undefeated. (he already doesn't compare)

    He would have to become undisputed HW champion of the world ... but the division is too deep for him to reign for 10 yrs.
     
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  3. Buggo

    Buggo Active Member Full Member

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    IMO Haye would be above JC because he has faced a consistently higher class of opponent’s, and in a shorter career. Despite JC’s undoubted accomplishments he can not lay claim to defeating the top 2 opponents in 2 different weight divisions. If Haye beats VK, then Haye can.
     
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  4. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Unbeaten is irrelevant.

    Haye could easily have built a record like Calzaghe's if he'd wanted too.

    Haye has instead gone for the hardest option everytime.

    Haye has huge melon like bollocks, Calzaghe has peanut bollocks.
     
    onourway, Dec 16, 2008
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  5. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    two fights against big but limited guys does not make him better than Calzaghe.
     
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  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Spot on.
     
    san rafael, Dec 16, 2008
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  7. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Personally I think there could be a slight case made to rank wins over Mormeck, Wlad, and Vit - unifying at Cruiser, and Heavyweight (within 20 odd fights) as superior to Joe's wins or achievments. Joe would win in the longetivity department but that can be spun the otherway: Haye, former unified Cruiser champ, now challenging for the Heavy title of the world, is on the same number of pro fights as it took Joe to get to fight for his first ever WBO title fight.

    I very much doubt Haye will beat either Wlad, or Vit though, nevermind both of them!
     
    JonOli, Dec 16, 2008
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  8. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if haye beats vitaly he is better thaan JC in my book
     
    pauliemayweathe, Dec 16, 2008
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  9. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What were the top 2 at Cruiserweight?

    Because I know for a fact Maccarinelli was not one of them.
     
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  10. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It would be close but i would say yes.
     
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  11. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    This is a bigger challenge than Calzaghe ever undertook.
     
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  12. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No.

    Moot point anyway, he will be destroyed.
     
    Beebs, Dec 16, 2008
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  13. Achilleslststnd

    Achilleslststnd Guest

    Right on point. Competition is everything. While Calzaghe is the better fighter he's only a couple notches above Ottke overall. Their records are nearly interchangeable.
     
    Achilleslststnd, Dec 16, 2008
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