If Haye does this to Wlad?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Nov 13, 2010.


  1. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Haye makes micro adjustments when avoiding shots , just enough for the shots not to be clean enough to cause any real damage , and what ever people say he does this quite well !!!

    I see Haye getting tired by throwing power shot after power shot in flurrys on the back of slipping either jabs or rear hands from the Bros , once this happens and he stops throwing effective counters he may go into survival mode and just look to avoid a stoppage , if he does that i dont see the Bros getting through with that much TBH , but you can never count a stoppage out when looking at the contrasting styles ..........
     
  2. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He admits this himself. Unless you know more than Wladimir, of course.
     
  3. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think you underestimate Haye's chin. It will never be great, no, but he has taken good shots at heavyweight and not been hurt. He was off balance against Barrett and went down, then took a flush shot without having any issues, so it really isn't bad enough that he'll be decked off a jab.
     
  4. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I want to see the Haye/Klitschko fight, but if Haye doesn't dust off his jab and use it well he will never be able to get inside on Wladimir or Vitali.
     
  5. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've been a big Wlad fan for years, but this is absolutely true. Wlad will not throw anything against a moving opponent other than his jab. Against utterly immobile opposition, he'll throw the big right hand all night, but he has a problem with movement. He is that scared of getting out of position and countered, he doesn't throw it unless he can't miss.
     
  6. Larryboys

    Larryboys Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dear God. The ridiculous overhyping of Haye from last year has recommenced after he knocks out AUDLEY HARRISON, who put in the most pathetic non-effort ever seen in a "world" title fight. If the ******ation levels in England continueto grow at this rate I'm going to have to move to ****ing New Zealand or something.
     
  7. Irländsk

    Irländsk Boxing Addict banned

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    I'm a huge fan of David Haye but Wlad caves the guy's skull in. Haye doesn't have the skill to get inside on Klitschko, and if he tries to leap in and wing wild shots like he did against Audley then he gets punished severely.
     
  8. Words

    Words Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Vlad and Haye is a pick 'em fight where either guy could win.

    Both of these guys carry huge power and athleticism. Both of these guys have good amatuer backgrounds and a proper skillset. Both of these guys have a track record of being hurt when confronted by aggressive, hard hitting opponents.

    Haye has good movement and knows how to counter off the jab. The big jab is Wlad's best weapon, and Haye is an expert at countering off a jab, so I will be very interested to see how Wlad copes with that. On the other hand, Haye has a tendency to get wild when he attacks, and since the amatuer days had a tendency to leave himself open when he starts steaming forward throwing bombs. Wlad is someone who can be easily rattled, and doesn't like fighting outside of his comfort zone, but Haye is someone who will make schoolboy errors when he is trying to finish off a wobbled opponent. He gets right hand happy and starts to let his shots go wide and looping, which against someone like Wlad who fights in straight lines is very risky. I also think the phsyical strength difference will work against Haye, and that Wlad is a master of ring generalship which will nullify a lot of Haye's mobility.


    So it could go either way. I can see Haye hurting Wlad when he counters off the jab with that extremely fast right hand. I can see Wlad using his size and ring generalship to close down Haye and force exchanges, which Haye would be wise to avoid because Wlad has serious power and strength, possibly the physically strongest heavyweight champion in history (apart from brother)

    Speaking of Vitali, I think that is an easier fight for Haye, and if the fight happened today I would pick Haye by KO. No disrespect to Vitali, but I don't think he has the same sort of mobilty as his brother, and his head movement is totally non existant. His head will be a static target which Haye can tee-off on. Vitali in his prime was not as fast as his brother, and approaching 40 he as clearly slowed down a lot. I image that fight like a Heavyweight version of Pac - Margarito, where Vitali gets peppered with shots and broken down.

    The only other thing I can think of that could be an advantage to the Klitschko's is they have been tested over 12 rounds many times and their stamina is not in question. Wlad gassed out once against Brewster, fair enough, but **** happens I've not seen him do it since. Haye is not someone I think who likes to fight 12 hard round, throwing 100 punches a round. If they can force him into that kind of fight I think Wlad, maybe even Vitali, could wear him down and take him out late.

    What is certain is that Haye is the only Heavyweight out there with a worthwhile chance against of the Klitschko brothers, and the only guy I would pay money to see them fight at this moment in time.
     
  9. jdroy1986

    jdroy1986 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah as soon as Haye gets nailed by the first stiff jab from Wlad he'll realize why Wlad is such a good Heavyweight. Plus Haye has to grow some balls first and step up to the plate and fight either of the K brothers. I'll believe it when I see it. I still believe Haye will lose to either K brother.:D
     
  10. theboy_racer

    theboy_racer Boxing Junkie banned

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    Nope, the Audley 'fight' is meaningless (just like most of the Klit brothers fights in recent years, utterly meaningless)


    Haye will destroy Wlad if/when they fight because he is the better fighter. :good
     
  11. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :deal ,

    This,

    Great post,

    Pure logic.
     
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    gobblock Boxing Addict banned

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    Or is it even sadder and you couldn't put two and two together and recognize my avatar as a tribute to Samuel PETER's best weapon, the RABBIT punch?

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  13. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Speed kills. Haye would KO glass jawed WALDO as easily as he KO'd Audley. Big, clumsy HW's are tailor made for Haye. VITLAY might present more problems but he's old now and would fold or quit inside of 6 rounds like he did against Lennox.

    Can't wait until these fights are made so the Haye fans can own this forum.
     
  14. BoxingFan2010

    BoxingFan2010 Boxing Addict banned

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    He does? Then Haye step TFU, or you shut TFU! :deal
     
  15. BoxingFan2010

    BoxingFan2010 Boxing Addict banned

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    Most FU ever post from the FU Davo that he has ever posted. :deal