If Haymon Continues The Mismatches I Fear Something Really Tragic Is Going To Happen.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'm not disagreeing with that, but the mismatches being out on by PBC seem to be weighted in the direction of ensuring the audience a card of brutal KO's, which is pretty unpleasant.
     
  2. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Campillo shouldn't be considered a mismatch against a 24 year old prospect. His wisdom alone should have seen him through more than the first. It was just a devastating performance from a young lion on the rise. Feel the fire. The Charlo bros have been held back by boxing politics so long it's shameful but Bundrage provided the out and now they are about to break loose. Jermall won't sit on his title and I suspect he will go to middle weight and leave 154 to his brother. The heat is on. Feel the fire. Erroll Spence has already put the welters on notice and in another year he will declare all out war. It's getting hot. Amir Amam and Crawdaddy bout to make 140 so hot even the devil won't be able to sit at ringside. Except for Crawdaddy, all Haymon fighters. That's just the tip of the volcano. Haymon knows boxing.
     
  3. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Everyone knows you sustain more permanent damage by taking flush punches and not getting knocked out than getting knocked out in a couple of rounds. He made the same amount of money he would have in about 10-20 bouts. He would have sustained far more damage in that 10-20 fihgts unless he won all of those bouts rarely getting hit.
     
  4. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh, that's not necessarily true. Sometimes the worst beatings are administered by guys who have some pop, but can't quite finish matters early enough to prevent the other guy from taking a sustained beating.

    Chavez-Johnson was one such example.
     
  5. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    @CST or IB i want your tech breadown on my mates fight, please


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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'll look at it later.:good
     
  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I do agree that these mismatches are getting annoying, and boring to watch as a boxing fan, Quillin should just leave the sport, or let GGG put him on his resume, but as for "something tragic might happen", I disagree with that. Getting these big fights are a lottery for these guys, and let's be honest Karpency has been in there with Dawson, Fonfara, Cleverly. Zerafa is the only guy who has been in there with no one. Charlo/Bunrdage was a perfectly fine fight, Bundrage was a world champ and it was for a title, also Charlo is extremely young and this was his real first step up, if you're complaining about the dangers of that fight, you should be complaining about GGG/Lemieux which will most likely end up with lemieux getting BADLY hurt.
     
  8. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    thanks
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This all seems very melodramatic.

    First, Charlo-Bundrage wasn't a mismatch going in. Bundrage was the defending champ and Charlo was his top contender. If you don't want champs to fight the top contender because someone might get hurt, I suggest you find another sport to follow.

    Second, Razor Ruddock was "supposed" to beat Carman. In that fight, the guy who was "supposed" to be the easy win scored the KO. Ruddock won two fights this year. His wife is his manager and picked the challenger.

    And, more importantly, the fight was promoted by Yvon Michel and Lennox Lewis of all people. Ruddock and Al Haymon don't work together. Ruddock didn't sign with Haymon. Ruddock was just another guy on the undercard by the local promoters to boost the gate - and Haymon cares nothing about the gates at these shows.

    If you are angry about Ruddock's fight ... send a tweet to the promoter Lennox Lewis or Ruddock's wife. It was their matchmaking, not Haymon's.

    How an underdog scoring an upset in a fight Haymon wasn't involved in (only the local promoters were) became an example of "Al Haymon" being evil, I have no idea.

    Third, enough of this "sacrificial lamb" stuff about Campillo. He was a light heavyweight champion in 2009. It was universally believed Campillo was "robbed" in a failed challenge for the title against Tavoris Cloud in 2012. Since then, he's lost to Kovalev, Beterbiev and Fonfara ... arguably the THREE BEST light heavyweights in the world.

    Last year, he met undefeated and highly-touted Thomas Williams and knocked out Williams. The fact that Browne stopped him quickly is a credit to Browne. Campillo isn't some "stiff." Ask Thomas Williams if Campillo is a "stiff."

    As for Stevenson-Karpency, Stevenson was the heavy favorite. But Karpency also had a win over Chad Dawson and his fight with Fonfara was excellent - it's online if you'd like to watch it. Nobody expected him to win, but then again nobody expected him to beat Dawson, either.

    These PBC fights are no more one-sided than they were when all these same types of matchups aired on Showtime for the last few years (when Showtime actually seemed more relevant that HBO).

    But the people who predicted Haymon would get sued and close shop, and then predicted he'd run out of money quickly, and then predicted he didn't have enough fighters to put on shows, they've all been proven wrong.

    And now it's "he's making mismatches" ... and somebody's going to die.

    You can point to a half dozen promoters or managers who have had guys die or suffer brain injuries on their cards. Haymon isn't one of them.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree.
     
  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Abdusalamov ... another guy Haymon didn't have anything to do with.
     
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you won't be watching Golovkin-Lemieux then ... because a brutal KO is bound to happen?

    Or do you think that's got boring 12-round chess match written all over it?:roll::patsch

    Or is that one-sided mismatch/inevitable brutal KO okay because HBO PPV is involved and Haymon isn't?
     
  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh Christ, look at EVERY UNDERCARD of every major fight put on by EVERY promoter.

    Every undercard of every promoter contains the promoters feeding their guys beatable opposition before they reach the hoped for title shot.

    Did you just start watching boxing this week?

    How many PBC main events and/or co-main event mismatches have there been since the series began with Thurman-Guerrero ... and moving on to Garcia-Peterson and on?

    I'd say Garcia-Malignaggi was, but the co-main was Jacobs-Mora (which was wild) and now Quillin (who faced Andy Lee earlier this year) is fighting Jacobs in December.

    Now name all the Top Rank main events this year and the undercard bouts, and point out all the mismatches. Hell, have there been any Top Rank shows this year that were actually competitive?

    What's their next show? Terence Crawford vs. Dierry Jean ... who quit the ring last year because he was an addict? You picking Jean in that one? Or do you anticipate a brutal, one-sided win for Crawford?

    This is ridiculous.
     
  14. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have always talked about Haymon. He is a snake in a suit. A slithering gross human being... Deprived of feeling empathy. He is disgusting.... Worse than Don King.

    Glad to see others are starting to see him the same way. And to think some folks are happy he is trying to "take over the sport".
     
  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Okay Dubblechin.....

    Charlo was a mismatch if you didn't know that, that's your problem, maybe I'm smarter than you.

    I don't care who promotes Ruddock it was on a Haymon card, so he's partially responsible, and I don't like Yvon Michel either.

    Campillo didn't knock out Williams Jr., you've obviously never seen the match, Williams got his eye cut, and acted like a ***** and quit. Campillo was beaten half to death by Beterbiev a few months ago he's shot to hell.

    As far as Karpency goes, the reason he did so well against Fonfara is because Fonfara is overrated, Campillo was beating him as well before he KO'd him , and Glen Johnson beat Fonfara and was robbed. I saw the Dawson match as it was happening on a Shobox undercard, it was very close probably a draw or a Dawson SD win and Dawson looked like hell, because he sucks now.

    Where did I say Abdusalamov was with Haymon?

    Every opponent who fights GGG is a mismatch, should the guy retire, and stop with your overdramatic bull****, Lemieux doesn't have near the wear and tear of most of the bums Haymon feeds to his up and coming fighters, and at least he can punch back and hurt his opponents which is more than I can say for Zerafa.

    Jean has only lost on points to Peterson andis a far better opponent than Malignaggi was for Garcia.