If he wasn't injury prone....

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  1. margo82

    margo82 Active Member Full Member

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    It's easier said than done.

    It sounds simple to just teach him how to have composure/a final ball, but there are so many erratic wingers out there that it suggests that it's not actually that easy to teach them how to have an end product.
     
  2. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree for the most part.

    If the opponent is playing a straight up 4-4-2 formation (or something akin) then the holding midfielder becomes redundant to a large extent.

    However, I still think it is good to have one if the opponent is starting with a player in the hole behind the front 1/2. It nullifys that threat. And a lot of teams are playing 4-5-1 and 3-5-2 formations these days, with a player just in behind the striker/s.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I agree. It's part of the reason the classical winger has gone out of the game. They have 1 good game for every 4 bad games in many cases.

    I just think with Lennon in the right hands and the right team he could become very good. The kid is still young, he's getting into so many great positions and skipping past players with absolute ease. I'd want him in my squad. I don't believe you couldn't get his head up.
     
  4. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Let me explain, every United side of the last 20 years has been based on a brilliant midfield, whether its the Robson, Ince, or Keane Midfield .. and they've always had dynamic players like Kanchelskis, giggs, beckham and Scholes there, But every successful United side has been based on that midfield .. This season is the weakest they've ever had and its only because Chelsea and Arsenal have had they're poorest season for years that United have been able to walk away with the title .. Yeah my team Liverpool have improved but against previous United sides they wouldnt even had a sniff of the title and that goes for previous Chelsea and Arsenal sides too ..
    Its been an exciting season but as a Liverpool fan im in no doubt that we are only close because United, Chelsea and Arsenal have been very poor this season considering the standards they have set in the past ..
    Chelsea have an ageing side, full of egos ..
    Arsenal play some great football but have no Viera to really fight and dominate in midfield ..
    United's Midfield has a soft center, good wingers but that center is there for the taking like it hasnt been for 20 years, no robson, no ince, no keane, no dominant leader .. so United's defence is under far more pressure .... Never been convinced with Van Der Sar anyway, he is no way in Schmeichal's, Southall's or Buffon's league ..
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    If the midfield is so soft, and I understand what you mean to in extent, how can Ferdinand and Vidic be completely overrated? You'll have to concede one of these points.

    United are good at what they do in midfield. There are no rampaging Keane type players. All they do is keep it simple, pass the ball into the forwards. It's a simple yet effective tactic when at the front end is Ronaldo, Berba, Rooney and Tevez.
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Watch out for Anderson in a few years. He had a good first season, started this one poorly and has struggled to get consistency with injuries. But I was impressed with his energy and tactical awareness in Porto. Really helped United to keep a clean sheet there.

    And against Portsmouth in the first half he was excepcional. Showed the other side of his game, great through ball.

    To me he is a standout talent, he's the most dynamic midfielder they have and when it all comes together he will be one of the best midfielders around.
     
  7. margo82

    margo82 Active Member Full Member

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    So the Man Utd midfield is soft and that puts the defence under more pressure....

    .....how did Man Utd break the record for minutes without conceding if Vidic and Ferdinand are so overrated?
     
  8. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im not conceding anything. In the past United have had brilliant Midfields and Attacks. Im talking about the 99' midfield, Giggs, Beckham, Scholes and Keane. What a Midfield that was !! And they had fluid, running players like Yorke and Cole, all working for the team .. That was a great United team. This team cant compare, Berbatov isnt a United player and Ronaldo isnt a United player ..
    United's great teams are all about 'the team', ronaldo and berbatov are individuals. Rooney and Tevez are sensational but they dont have guys like Keane, Giggs and Beckham 'Driving' the team on ..
    The United defence has pulled in the accolades over the last 20 years but its ridiculous, United have always been so potent in attack that the defence has always been a secondary concern. Thats what killed them against Barcelona in 93 or 94, they thought that Bruce and Pallister have done the job in the league, so they can handle Romario and Stoichkov but they were taught a lesson and got dumped out ..
    As a Liverpool fan im hoping United dont strengthen that Midfield, because that is the weakness, and if they line up with that Midfield next season then Rafa's army will have an easy time ....

    I remember a few years ago when newspapers were comparing Rooney to Maradona and Pele, i thought it was a joke at the time, but watching Rooney recently i just cant help but laugh .... Sometimes 'potential' doesnt turn into a world beater, Rooney is a prime example ....
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    You still don't get it. If the midfield is so weak, and you are praying they don't strengthen it, how can Vidic and Ferdinand's performances be completely overrated according to you? It does not add up, you need to get some objectivity. Either the midfield is doing a good job in retaining posession, or the defence was doing outstandingly well. Or more likely, a combination of both since defending is a team issue, not 4 men and a goalkeeper.

    "Rafs army" are not going to have an easy time with anything. Not without reinforcements in the summer because the wingers are poor options and there is nobody good enough to partner Torres when neccessary, or replace him in the system when he's injured. At the end of the day, the league and cups don't lie, Liverpool are barely hanging onto one trophy by a thread.
     
  10. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your an idiot, your a guy that just deals in statistics ..... How can a defence that is so brilliant in your opinion get totally destroyed by Liverpool .. No team has done that to United for 20 years, and if Schmeichel was in goal, and Bruce and Pallister were in defence it wouldnt have been 4 - 1 ..

    This has been an exciting season but a very poor season in terms of 'quality'. Fergie sold Van Nistelrooy and basically replaced him with Berbatov, what a joke that was. Ruud is a million times the player that Berbatov is and if you still had him, you would have won the title by a mile already .. The United Midfield is the worst for 20 years, no question about that for me, thats another reason why you havent won the title by now ..
     
  11. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Schmeichal was in goal and Bruce and Pallister were in defence when QPR won 4-1 at Old Trafford...
     
  12. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    So, to sum up, the defence is rubbish, the midfield is completely rubbish, Ronaldo is a drama queen and up front they have Berbatov who is a million times worse then Van Nistelroy. And Liverpool still can't finish above them?
     
  13. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Nistelrooy's been injured for ****ing ages and will remain so for the rest of the reason. He must be amazing for team morale to win the league from the treatment room.
     
  14. LHL

    LHL Captain Freedom Full Member

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    So a defence gets destroyed in one game and its crap then good way of looking at it :patsch. Every great defender gets a beating once in a while.

    So you think United should have kept Ruud as well i loved Ruud at the club great striker but he was rarely fit as TFFP has said. Also he was holding the team back as far as i can see every player is putting in there share of goals rather than just everyone give it to Van Nistlerooy and he will score.

    The midfield isn't so great but it is a work in progress. Fletcher is young nani is young anderson is young Tosic is YOUNG you see Fergie is planning something called a future with these players.
     
  15. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The reasons for selling Nistelrooy are clear and abundant.

    Age.

    Injuries - age

    Became increasingly one dimensional, lost mobility. United started to favour a more fluid attacking system, the culmination of which we are seeing right now.

    Reportedly upsetting morale with his antics.

    They are on the verge of three in a row, so I don't think he's gone too far wrong with that decision.