If Henry Cooper had defeated Clay?

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Henry had defeated Clay, would he have then taken a title shot at Sonny Liston?
     
  2. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    I think he would have gotten a shot at Liston sooner than Ali did. I think Ali still would have gotten a title shot, but further down the road.

    In all fairness, Cooper almost did beat Ali. To quote him, "If it weren't for those damn bloody ropes. And then the freaking bell went!!"
     
  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cooper's manager,Jim Wicks,said that he wanted no part of Liston under any circumstances. Money talks though,and a title shot would have been on offer.
     
  4. Boucher

    Boucher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, he would have been offered it, but he would have declined.
     
  5. Bummy Davis

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    Cooper was Ko'd by Patterson, not a TKO a KO and I think its obvious Liston would have done the same and quickly...As far as Ali if he would have lost the 1st fight vs Cooper it would have hurt his legacy, the fact that Cooper really hurt him and Henry Cooper only weighed 185lbs is something that can not be taken away but while Ali could beat the big slow punchers like Liston and Foreman, Lyle he was hurt and troubled by the smaller men such as Joe Frazier, Cooper,Doug Jones...Ali pulled out with the help of Angelo Dundee but a loss would have hurt his legasy
     
  6. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali(I) - 235,000
    Ali(II) - 250,000
    Sir Cooper(I) - 200,000
    Sir Cooper (w/ cut) - 140,000
    SirCooper(II) - 185,000
     
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    Spunik Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good Ole Lantern jawed 'Enri....
     
  8. he did defeat ali first time ,
    the cuts did save ali 1 victory .
    he prob wud have got 1 title shot , but the management did not want ,
    cooper involved w/ liston , knoing liston prob was ,
    2 much 4 cooper .
     
  9. stfu ****
    he did manage to floor clay ,
    was up on sscorecards ,
    did give him trouble in both fights
    it was down to cuts in both occasions
    ****
     
  10. RoosterC

    RoosterC Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First fight Cooper won by KO, the torn glove stunt Ali's corner is proof of that.
     
  11. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Liston was a brutal match-up for Cooper, and Cooper and his manager knew that, but I think they would have taken the chance for enough money. The result would have been a massacre inside 3 rounds with Cooper being bloodied and battered to the canvas. Cooper used his left jab to great effect and was a gritty character, but it would go all wrong against Liston.
     
  12. yancey

    yancey Active Member Full Member

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    Henry Cooper was never close to beating Ali in either of their matches, despite the wishful thinking of some.

    Liston would have annihilated Cooper.

    Patterson did.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I cannot see Cooper declining a title shot under the most unfavourable circumstances.

    I also think that Liston would have offered him one.

    It would have been a safe big money fight.
     
  14. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    I suspect you've never watched either fight fully,Cooper was was very competitive and held his own in both fights,and this coming from Ali's biggest fan.
    However you're right about Liston annihilatiing Cooper.
     
  15. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No he didn't defeat Ali.Get over it.