If Holyfield beats Valuev, is it better than Foreman-Moorer?

if evander can win by knockout then yes that would be alot more impressive then foreman vs moorer a points win will still be a great win for holyfield but i just dont see it going that way Valuev is to big

 

Moorer did beat the current champion to get both his belts though...Valuev not only lost to Chagaev to lose his WBA title in the first place, but he didn't fight Chagaev to get it back.

Moorer was, despite grumblings and his own lack of charisma, THE MAN in the division for that short while. Valuev has never been in that position.

Moorer was also, despite that Cooper scare, still undefeated. Not only has Valuev lost, but he has a couple of extremely tight wins as well that are still controversial.

Holy doesn't have Foreman's power, so a win would be better in that respect. He'd have to win the majority of the rounds which Foreman most clearly didn't.

So that's my position on it. Holyfield 2008 is worse off than Foreman 1994, but I'm really not picking Valuev 2008 as a more credible or even as credible champion than Moorer 1994. He is inferior in that respect.

Still a big achievement if it happens for Holy, but not up there with Foreman.

 

it would depend on how convincingly he beats valuev, during the moorer fight up until the knockout foreman was losing every round

 

i think it'll be how convincingly he whips him really, cant see it though

 

I agree with DamonD. Foreman was quite good fighter during his comeback and he was able to change his style for one better suited for him. He still had good chin and great punching power so he could be dangerous. Also, his style was never based on things like footwork or speed, which are the first to go with age.

Don't get me wrong, I admit Holy was also ad******g his style well when going up with weight (and with age). But he is at the point when he no longer has anything to adjust. His stamina is good enough to fight 1-2 rounds with decent footwork and workrate. Counterpunching? He is too slow for that, although in the case of Valuev it may be still OK. The only thing left may be his chin (not tested lately), but it is not enough to win a fight.

I wouldn't give him any chance against decent opponent, luckily he is fighting the weakest champ in already weak division. BTW, I no longer follow how is it possible that Valuev-Holyfield fight is for WBA title... and so is Chagaev-Drumond fight in February.

Edited: another question is why I can't write a_d_j_u_s_t_i_n_g without getting all those *** in this (see above)

 

can't see it happening anyway .at all .

 

I do have to say, if Holyfield knocked Valuev out that would certainly be impressive.

But it's not Holyfield's side of things I rate lower, it's Valuev. In fact that would still balance things out I guess, since if Valuev is getting knocked out by a 46-year-old 215-220 pound man then that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of his durability either.

 

Well...could the judges perhaps feel a little generous towards the old man?
If it's a close fight, does it favour the 'house' fighter or would they want to give Holy a last bit of glory?

Just hypothetical, I know nothing about the judges.

 

I would say yes, Holyfield's win would surpass the magnitude of Foreman's win over Moorer. Although, Moorer was a better fighter than Nikolay Valuev as well as having claim to being lineal champ, Holyfield's chances against Valuev are significantly less than that of Foreman's against Moorer. George was still around fighting actively kicking people's asses, competing with rated contenders, had a great defense, and still had the power to pull off an upset. Holy hasn't even fought in some 15 months and hasn't recorded a win over a rated fighter in years. He also doesn't have anything left to hurt Valuev with.

I don't remember what the odds on Foreman vs Moorer was, but I can't imagine that they were more lopsided than Holyfield vs Valuev.

 

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Foreman had a horribly rough bout with Stewart in late '92 and then got firmly outboxed by Morrison in June '93. He hadn't fought in about 17 months before the Moorer fight.

George wasn't much of an ass-kicking machine by Nov '94, just enough to upset Moorer. And it was points decisions and no knockdowns all the way in his following fights.

Although I do actually agree despite that that Holyfield is worse off.
I think Valuev is markedly worse off than Moorer, that's all.

 

It depends but Evander has very slim chances of winning anyway.

 

Holyfield is getting KO'D so it WON'T be debatable:-(