If Hopkins beat Adamek will he surpass Jones ...

The Glen Johnson that Hopkins beat was greener than grass, though.

Hopkins would still win if they fought again today, but that version of Johnson hadn't even faced journeyman competition, as evidenced by his series of clean losses in the following years when he moved up in class. It wasn't until years after the Hopkins fight that Glen developed into a bona fide world class fighter.

 

I agree with you...The point I was trying to get at is why does B-hop need to fight Johnson to prove that his resume is better than Roys.

 

You're right- he doesn't. Up until the last 4 years, Roy was comfortably ahead on my book as far as resume goes, but Hopkins has taken on tougher challenges as of then and significantly cut the gap down. What Glen Johnson or Chad Dawson would add, I don't really know. What Adamek offers, though, is the chance for Hopkins to become a Ring champ in 3 divisions to show he could weight jump effectively following a consistent level of dominance in one weight class. Even though Dawson beat Adamek H2H, I think that if Hopkins could face and beat Adamek, it'd mean more legacy wise for just that reason.

Plus, there's the practical reason of Chad being tied up with Tarver still- the wait involved with him recovering from his hand injury, the fact that the rematch still has to actually happen, combined with at least a 3 month break after the fight means that Chad might only fight once in 2009. With Hopkins ticking clock, it makes more sense to go after the significantly more active and visible Adamek sooner as opposed to possibly waiting a year for a Dawson fight.

Not that you asked for my entire thoughts on it, but I figured it's better to condense it all in one post :thumbsup

 

Good post...I agree, you hit every point right on the head.:good

No one can take away what Roy has done in the past but as you stated Hopkins is showing dominance in the weight classes he's fought in..Nobody can take that away from what Hopkins has done and he has surpassed Roy IMO.

 

Nah partner you get yours straight....

[url]Jack Root[/url] (1903)
[url]George Gardner[/url] (1903)
[url]Bob Fitzsimmons [/url](1903-1905)
[url]Philadelphia Jack O'Brien [/url](1905, never defended)

[url]O'Brien[/url] never defended the title and it became moribund. Several claimed the title, including [url]Bob Fitzsimmons[/url] and NY "commission" champion, [url]Bob Moha[/url]. [url]Jack Dillon[/url] became the "man" with his wins over [url]Hugo Kelly[/url], [url]Levinsky[/url] , and [url]Moha[/url].

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[url]Jack Dillon [/url](1914-1916)
[url]Battling Levinsky[/url] (1916-1920)
[url]Georges Carpentier[/url] (1920-1922)
[url]Battling Siki[/url] (1922-1923)
[url]Mike McTigue[/url] (1923-1925)
[url]Paul Berlenbach [/url](1925-1926)
[url]Jack Delaney[/url] (1926-1927, never defended)
[url]Tommy Loughran[/url] (1927, vacated title 1929)

The New York Commission named [url]Jimmy Slattery[/url] as Champ following his victory over [url]Lou Scozza[/url] in Feb. 1930. [url]Maxie Rosenbloom[/url] beat [url]Slattery[/url] and was generally recognized as champ by all but the NBA, who named [url]George Nichols[/url] in Mar. 1932. [url]Nichols[/url] lost to [url]Lou Scozza[/url], and [url]Rosenbloom[/url] defeated [url]Scozza[/url] in July 1932 for the undisputed title.

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[url]Maxie Rosenbloom[/url] (1932-1934)
[url]Bob Olin[/url] (1934-1935)
[url]John Henry Lewis[/url] (1935 to Jun 1939, retires)

[url]Tiger Jack Fox[/url] won the NYS version, then lost to [url]Melio Bettina[/url]. The NBA then agreed with the NYS Commission that they would recognize the winner of [url]Bettina [/url]and [url]Billy Conn[/url] as undisputed champion. [url]Conn[/url] won.

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[url]Billy Conn[/url] (1939 vacates title May 1941)
[url]Gus Lesnevich[/url] (1941-1948)
[url]Freddie Mills[/url] (1948-1950)
[url]Joey Maxim[/url] (1950-1952)
[url]Archie Moore[/url] (1952-1962)

[url]Moore[/url] is stripped by various organizations and ultimately gives up the title. [url]Harold Johnson[/url] beat [url]Doug Jones[/url] for the unndisputed title.

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[url]Harold Johnson[/url] (1962-1963)
[url]Willie Pastrano[/url] (1963-1965)
[url]Jose Torres[/url] (1965-1966)
[url]Dick Tiger[/url] (1966-1968)
[url]Bob Foster[/url] (1968, retired September 16, 1974)

Claimants following [url]Foster's[/url] retirement included [url]John Conteh[/url], [url]Victor Galindez[/url], [url]Miguel Angel Cuello[/url], [url]Mate Parlov[/url], [url]Marvin Johnson[/url], [url]Mike Rossman[/url], [url]Matthew Saad Muhammad,[/url] [url]Eddie Mustafa Muhammad[/url], and [url]Dwight Braxton[/url], who then changed his name to [url]Dwight Qawi [/url](1981-1983). [url]Michael Spinks[/url] defeated [url]Eddie Mustafa[/url] in July 1981 for the WBA title, [url]Braxton [/url] defeated [url]Matthew Saad[/url], for the WBC title in December 1981. [url]Qawi [/url] lost a 15-round decision to [url]Spinks[/url] in Mar. 1983 for the undisputed title

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[url]Michael Spinks[/url] (1983-Sep. 1985, vacates title).
[url]Virgil Hill[/url] (1996 - 1997)
[url]Dariusz Michalczewski[/url] (1997-2003)
[url]Julio Cesar Gonzalez [/url](2003-2004)
[url]Zsolt Erdei[/url] (2004-present)

 

So why was Hopkins considered the linear light heavy weight champ? (and most people including most of all of the creditable sports writers)

 

Although Erdei is garbage they chose to ignore DM despite winning 3 of the 4 major belts and later having them stripped.

This isnt a knock on HOPS im just pointing out that the BS Ring belt and it's letting of there champs defend against anyone(even when not in the division)has caused a cluster****.Bypassing all the young contenders and playing musical chairs with that belt hurts it's own cause.

Had Tarver or BHOP given someone else a crack the LHW picture would no doubt look different.

Same **** when Adamek was at LHW.The old timers wouldnt give anyone a shot.

 

I see what you're saying now...I thought it was a knock on Hops...So I do extend my apoligies to you...I misunderstood you thats all!

 

Dan Rafeal...many may not like him but he does have very good insight for the sport! Do I need to name you anymore?

 

So when is the linear champion (Erdei) going to fight anyone? Has he even fought in the US? He will possibly be champion when my son graduates HS and even college. Hopkins fighting and beating Adamek will speak volumes. Too many posters mentioning Chad about how he beat Adamek. I believe Adamek is much better now then when he fought Chad. Chad should give Johnson the rematch and take it from there.

 

Jones is still substantially ahead of Hopkins in the ATG rankings IMO.

IF Bernard were to beat Dawson and then pull a HW title out of somewhere, (neither one very likely), it might change things.


One point to consider. Bernard began the sport quite late in life.

Were he to have had some of the advantages Roy had in his teenage years, who knows how great he could have become.

 

Actually, I believe RJJ went on some haitus when he did not get the nod for he Gold Medal. He most definitely would have won a title at 154 where he started his pro career.

 

I would still have Jones higher in ATG list.