If Hopkins had fought as well as he did last night, he would have beaten Calzaghe

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  1. Imperial1

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    Imperial1, Oct 19, 2008
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  2. Southpaw Brit

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    Damn straight.
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    Southpaw Brit, Oct 19, 2008
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  3. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe is the best boxer in or around the weight. End of story.
     
    jc, Oct 19, 2008
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  4. power play

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    no this fight just shows how good calzaghe is i suppose.
     
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  5. Shotgun

    Shotgun Well-Known Member Full Member

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    THis is like saying if Joe fought the way he did against Lacy, he stops Hopkins

    He couldn't fight that way against Hopkins, because Hopkins is a much different type of fighter

    Just like Calzaghe is a different type of fighter than Pavlik. Hopkins couldn't fight the way he did last night against Calzaghe

    Pavlik is a plodding, orthodox, predictable, one dimensional one-two fighter. Calzaghe is a versatile, unorthodox, unpredictable fighter who can win fights in a variety of ways and to top it off is a much faster, quicker athlete than Pavlik
     
    Shotgun, Oct 19, 2008
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  6. Ted Stickles

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  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yes, all true; I am not sure why you disagree with me. Calzaghe would give Hopkins a very hard fight because of styles but that doesn't mean Calzaghe would always beat him/ have beaten him, does it?
     
    Decebal, Oct 19, 2008
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  8. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was talking about his fight vs Pavlik actually.
    even at his age , his fight vs pavlik was as good any one he's been able to produce in his prime.

    "his prime" is relative. no one ages the same way.
     
    boxingcar, Oct 19, 2008
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  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It is not at all like saying that; I am forced again to defend myself for a claim I didn't make, which you attribute to me.

    It is like saying if Joe had fought as well as he did against Kessler, he would have done better against Hopkins on the night than he actually did, for example.

    Anyway, this thread turned out to be quite pointless because most replies had little if anything to do with the opening post or the argument at hand.
     
    Decebal, Oct 19, 2008
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  10. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No not at all but Joe probably would win 8 out of 10 times....Because his style is a nightmare for Bernard,and Joe is capable of adapting
     
    Ted Stickles, Oct 19, 2008
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  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Not against Hopkins, he wasn't capable of adapting. Whether you think Hopkins was beaten by his age (lack of stamina given the pace imposed by Calzaghe) or whether you think Hopkins losing the fight was mostly his own doing (he lost his focus when Calzaghe became frustrated and provoked him and spoilt the fight), you cannot attribute either to whatever style superiority Calzaghe may have over Hopkins. If you do, you might as well say that Bika had the style to beat Calzaghe, but was just unlucky to fight the best Calzaghe ever on the night, if you see what I mean.

    On the other hand, Hopkins did manage to "take Calzaghe's best weapons away from him", as he is fond of saying. That was clear to be seen in the first couple of rounds, before the fight became spoilt.
     
    Decebal, Oct 19, 2008
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  12. TFFP

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    Nah, Pavlik and Calzaghe are too much like chalk and cheese in style and skill to consider this seriously. I don't think there is any serious tangible reason to conclude Hopkins performed any worse, you can only look as good as your opponent allows.
     
    TFFP, Oct 19, 2008
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  13. ya-ni

    ya-ni Guest

    Joe is ATG, if he fought same bernard that fought palvik, joe woud of still beat him........
    Palivik is a white version of Tarver, an they both look better against a person with a questionalbe chin, taylor an jones,,,,,Palvik should not take this schooling lightly, an take his time to take on a top guy again, cause he showed alot of his weakness in that fight,,,,an he should also be happy it was not joe giving the boxing lession, cause he would ended palvik career as he did, lacys
     
    ya-ni, Oct 19, 2008
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  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    You poor deluded little fella.

    I expect the truth will take a while to sink in to you and your big-balled rodent friend.

    Pavlik is not in the same general league as Calzaghe (or Hopkins).


    Last night's Pavlik would never have heard the bell to end round 6 against Calzaghe.

    He just couldn't land anything meaningful and he couldn't keep Bernard from outlanding him.


    He's a nice young Midwestern boy with some future in the sport, but he's not quite at the level of the big guys.



    Tip for Kelly's future:

    Avoid Kessler !
     
    cuchulain, Oct 19, 2008
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  15. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    If Hopkins was able to fight as well as he did against Pavlik against Calzaghe, yes, he would have won.

    Problem is, he couldn't fight that well against Calzaghe. Had he come forward like he did against Pavlik against Calzaghe, he would have been beaten to the punch in the same way Pavlik was being beaten to the punch.

    Calzaghe has the handspeed, endurance and more importantly, the slick style to make it difficult for Bernard, so I don't think Bernard, even on his best night, could fight this style of fight against Calzaghe and win.

    The fight Hopkins fought was the fight that he could beat Calzaghe with, hence how close it got, mostly it just came down to Joe adapting after 4 rounds and starting to take over the fight.
     
    PugilisticPower, Oct 19, 2008
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