IF IRON MIKE WAS UP AND COMING NOW,WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE?

It was the same guy.
Who did you think it was ? An actor perhaps ? Maybe Gary Coleman ??

 

If a fighter needs a guy like Kevin Rooney calling numbers out to him, maybe his ring IQ is a bit low.
It's not exactly the stuff of a master boxer, let's be honest.
Tyson was a brilliant puncher and an excellent fighter and was devastating with his style but that's not a system for finding the true genius boxers of all-time, the guys who could adapt, and had a plan B, C, D, E,etc.
The "punch by numbers" is a robotic mechanical concept.
A fighter like Muhammad Ali would have laughed at it and probably known the numbers off by heart after a couple of rounds.

Maybe the reason Cus's system died is because Tommy Morrison used it and he wasn't much good !

 

No. It was his brother in the ring that night. Thats why he was so slow and lethargic. I heard tyson had contracted some sort of std. And thats when they came up with the plan on putting his brother in. They almost got away with it as well.

 

It was his great-grandfather, Frederick Booker T. Tyson.
That's why he was so slow and decrepit and had flabby boobies hanging down to his waist.

 

And yet it led two undersized heavyweights to become the youngest heavyweights of all time. You misunderstand the use of it by the sounds of things. It wasnt used because tyson didnt know what to do in the ring...it was used to build his reflexes. They trained it so much he was punching in combinations fluently. When a fighter gets to that stage its very very hard to defend against. Hence why tysons opponents all got decimated when he was using that system. The thing is these guys he was facing did have plan a,b,c,d. They still couldnt stop it. Look at tyrell biggs. He could fight or box. He was 6 foot 5 with an 82 inch reach. He could dance...had good legs...had good movement. Good speed. Great range of punches. Could take a dig. Didnt matter tyson broke him down after a good first round dancing from tyson. Patterson didnt have the punch for the system to be fully effective tyson did tho. And he pretty much wrecked the whole division using it.

By the time douglas came round tyson was finished with the system.

Depends what you mean by morrison wasnt very good. Morrison was a chinny guy he wasnt nearly as dedicated as a young tyson infact he was the opposite..but his combination punching and power was always good. He destroyed a lot of guys with it.

 

Its the thinking that slows you down...that split seconds the split second that costs you. Look at floyd mayweather. That pad workout they all laugh at...the tippy tapping. Its actually building his reflexes. You go anywhere near floyd he,ll beat you too that punch. He can adapt...hes shown that in the past...but he can do it with faster reflexes than the other guy that are trying to think their way round the problem.

Tysons number system was similar. In that it built his reflexes. The numbers take the thinking out of it. Its a very hard thing to defend against. Hence why tyson landed on everybody he fought when using it...and he was 5 foot 10 fighting a tyrell biggs at 6 foot 5. Bruno at 6 3. And other guys a good bit bigger than him. Thats why he wouldnt have had big problems against klitchko. Klitchkos opponents are take too long their trying to think it out...by that time the bigger longer mans beating you to the punch every single time. Till he fought guys the same size as him anyway.

 

Yeah. Tyson was great. Patterson was great. And Cus D'amato was great.
I can't argue with the results.

The thing is, Tyrell Biggs and guys like that weren't great fighters. Biggs never really developed as a professional fighter. He barely got past David Bey a few months earlier, and Bey was just a journeyman by that stage.

 

I'd be wondering how Wilder would manage to duck him for the rest of his career.

 

If thinking slows you down (I agree), how does calling out numbers during the fight help ?

When you take the thinking out, we're talking about pure instinct and reflexes.
There's no room for instructions in mid-action when we want pure instinct and reflexes.
That's asking the fighter to process the information and perform the prescribed combination, that's not taking the thinking out, that's adding thinking in.

In my opinion, during fights Tyson in his best form probably relied on honed reflexes, pure instinct.
The trainer calling out numbers mid-action was probably just something trainers tend to do.

 

Hahahahaha Lewis has to answer questions for battering Tyson silly before knocking him the fcuk out, gets better this does......

 

Goes down to muscle memory mate. They practised it so much it was ingrained. He done it off reflexes. Its easier to keep it reflex based single punching the problem comes in when it comes to combination punching. Can you really combination punch with reflexes? That was the quickest way to do it as close as possible to using reflexes.

Think of a guy throwing a jab...hook...uppercut for example. What happens usually is jabs thrown...then a split second when the brains sending a signal to perform the hook...then again for the uppercut. The thinking will always be there unless your throwing punches anywhere with no regard. What their doing is cutting that split second because they ve ingrained it so much in training...their working off muscle memory. That instruction was necessary. The end goal was throwing them punches with the leadt thinking possible. As soon as you need to think it...it will take you longer to deliver it. If you ve trained the muscle memory to the stage they had.

Go back and watch biggs mate if you get a chance not against tyson...but say the james tillis fight. You ll be surprised at how good they we,re. I bet both of them trained using reflex based training of some kind. Dont look at bigg,s record watch that fight if you get the chance then compare him to todays guys.

 

Why is it that lack of training and loss of commitment are only applicable to Tyson and nobody else? The fact of the matter is that no fighter in the history of the sport has entered the ring in perfect condition for every fight of their career. The closest fighter to achieve that has got to be Mayweather.

 

Nice information but you could say that about any fighter, it's not exclusive to Tyson you know.

 

This is what always gets me.
Tyson's lack of preparation for Douglas is cited so strongly by some and then they'll turn around and talk about other heavyweight fighters' losses and not listen to any mitigating circumstances for those losses.
The only other guy whose lack of preparation they like to talk about is Douglas when he lost to Holyfield ! Lol

When push comes to shove a great fighter has to man up and win the fight, even if his preparation was terrible, and if he loses he's liable to have the loss used to help measure his true value. That is the ATG standard, it's a harsh standard. That's the way it should be. Losing a title smack bang in your prime isn't something that can be brushed under the carpet.

Tyson's not alone. Other great fighters get judged with losses thrown in too. I don't know why he has so many fans looking to *****-foot around it. Judge him as a champion, with a high standard. Not some pathetic baby whose losses get brushed away.