IF IRON MIKE WAS UP AND COMING NOW,WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE?

And I'm sure there's interviews where he mentions the illness, why on earth would anyone make that up? He wasn't looking for excuses.

 

When Lewis and Rahman both came in well prepared Lewis blew his head off. Only a sadist would want to have seen another match between the pair. Lewis showed H2H superiority when both were well prepared. Pretty obvious really.

I scoffed? Thomas was not on par from a couple of years prior no. Biggs, Tubbs and Bruno were blown away. Tucker won but a few rounds. These guys weren't going to beat Tyson. Thomas would have been a nice battle a couple of years earlier.

Mugabi had a night of nights against a fading Hagler. With the title on the line he stood up and performed quite well. He did very little prior and after. James Green almost stopped him prior. The Hagler fight was if anything an abnormality.

Curry was plainly emaciated, as noted by people paid for their opinions as it unfolded.
curry was 11 pounds over just 3 days before the fight. If you don't think that a factor there's not much more to be said.

You know yourself Tyson wasn't at his best. You can take the article as novelty, but when i see greats like Futch and co. hitting the nail on the head as if viewing a crystal ball i'll accept their pearls.

 

Quite happy with the way i look at losses thanks.

 

Well it isn't for me to produce them I'm not saying he was ill ,you are! In an interview two years ago he doesn't mention it and says he was in great shape! Why would he do that?

 

Unforgiven,

I respect your change of opinion but you need to stick to your guns and sopport your own views. Again, i do believe your views are a bit warped on topics such as this current one but i do accept your alternate stance. You strive to support your own thesis' and your stance is both clear and well put even if most of us would disagree.

 

The scorecards at the time of the stoppage were,82-88,87-86,88-88,hardly an obliteration.

 

How do you know Rahman was as well prepared as the first time ?
And, for argument's sake, let's accept that as the FACT you seem to claim, it's still problematic. Because:
If both fighters have to be 100% to decide who's proven superiority, you'd have to cancel all the wins Lewis has over opponents who weren't 100% too. That's called be even handed.

But obviously were not going to doubt every head-to-head 1-0 based on the loser being less than 100%.
We take results as we find them.

I don't think they would ever beat Tyson either.
And, being consistent, I have to doubt Tyson would ever beat the 1990 Douglas either.

He wasn't emaciated.
Have you proof that he was 11 pounds over 3 days before.
And what about Honeyghan? Do you know how much trouble he had making weight?
I know you don't even care, because you're not fishing for excuses, since winners don't need them.

Maybe I don't know the article. I can't remember one where they said Tyson's about to lose to Buster Douglas.

Eddie Futch has said much harsher things about Mike Tyson than I would go along with.
If Futch was posting here he'd be dismissed as a nuthugger and a hater constantly.

 

Well, I'm looking to be fair, balanced and consistent and objective in my views.
In cases where I fall short of that I will adjust my views accordingly.
The alternative would be to be closed minded and trotting out the same views held for 30 years or more (eg. in the case of Mugabi).
There are enough stubborn and closed minded predictable posters here. I'm happy to break that mould on occasion.

 

Maybe I don't know the article. I can't remember one where they said Tyson's about to lose to Buster Douglas.

Eddie Futch has said much harsher things about Mike Tyson than I would go along with.
If Futch was posting here he'd be dismissed as a nuthugger and a hater constantly.[/QUOTE]
Lewis was 253.5lbs for the 1st Rahman fight,his heaviest up to then ,Rahman was 238lbs.
For the rematch Lewis dropped 7lbs to246.5lbs,I think we can take that as an indication he was in better shape.Rahnman had also dropped 2 lbs to 236lbs so I think it is reasonable to assume he had trained properly and was in shape as well..
This was before the Curry v Honeyghan fight.

"Curry had been struggling all week to make the weight for the fight, and Honeyghan knew this: "His weight could be his downfall. We know he's been having problems. If he comes in weak I'll have Curry cold for supper." Curry's post-fight quotes would certainly back up Honeyghan's assertions. Further along post fight.

"In his post-fight press conference, Curry eluded to the weight issues that Honeyghan had raised earlier on in the week. Totally contradicting himself Curry stated: "No excuses but it was the weight that beat me," adding "I was at least 16lb heavier a few weeks before the fight and taking off the weight weakened me so much I couldn't get my combinations going."

Box Rec.

• Akbar Muhammad said Curry weighed 168 pounds six and one half weeks prior to the fight. Then his grandfather's death caused Curry to lose concentration. "His weight went up to 157, 158. He told me, 'I don't think I can make the weight.' He wanted to pull out of the fight," Muhammad said. "I told him he was a professional and had an obligation to meet."

• When Curry returned to his corner after the sixth round, with blood flowing down his face from a deep gash over his left eye, he shook his head and was heard to tell his corner, "I'm through."

 

Futch also said Tyson had the chance to be the best ever. I'm sure you wouldn't go along with that either.

Futch wouldn't be seen as a hater or a nuthugger because his opinions are always balanced and well articulated. I can't remember him going to extremes at any point. Maybe you know something i don't.

 

BOOM!!!!!

 

Hahahaha the scorecards, Ray Charles would have scored the fight better than those clowns. Douglas boxed Tyson's head off from start to finish.

 

Lewis was 253.5lbs for the 1st Rahman fight,his heaviest up to then ,Rahman was 238lbs.
For the rematch Lewis dropped 7lbs to246.5lbs,I think we can take that as an indication he was in better shape.Rahnman had also dropped 2 lbs to 236lbs so I think it is reasonable to assume he had trained properly and was in shape as well..
This was before the Curry v Honeyghan fight.

"Curry had been struggling all week to make the weight for the fight, and Honeyghan knew this: "His weight could be his downfall. We know he's been having problems. If he comes in weak I'll have Curry cold for supper." Curry's post-fight quotes would certainly back up Honeyghan's assertions. Further along post fight.

"In his post-fight press conference, Curry eluded to the weight issues that Honeyghan had raised earlier on in the week. Totally contradicting himself Curry stated: "No excuses but it was the weight that beat me," adding "I was at least 16lb heavier a few weeks before the fight and taking off the weight weakened me so much I couldn't get my combinations going."

Box Rec.

• Akbar Muhammad said Curry weighed 168 pounds six and one half weeks prior to the fight. Then his grandfather's death caused Curry to lose concentration. "His weight went up to 157, 158. He told me, 'I don't think I can make the weight.' He wanted to pull out of the fight," Muhammad said. "I told him he was a professional and had an obligation to meet."

• When Curry returned to his corner after the sixth round, with blood flowing down his face from a deep gash over his left eye, he shook his head and was heard to tell his corner, "I'm through."

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But being a good weight is not proof that a fighter is fully prepared for a fight, just ask the Tyson fanatics. If it is a sign of being in a good condition then Tyson was fully prepared for Douglas, can't have it both ways.

 

He had the chance to be the best ever. And so did a lot of other guys. That's the beauty of boxing. Not everyone can be #1, not everyone can be champion, not everyone can be the best ever. But a lot of guys get a chance. And the issue is settled in the ring.

Well, if someone here said Holyfield must be rated WAY ABOVE Tyson in heavyweight history, they would be in danger of being called a nuthugger and hater.
And if they went on to say Holyfield, who is way above Tyson, would lose to Dempsey and Marciano, that would be seen as an extra knock on Tyson.

Futch was pointing out Tyson's weaknesses back in 1986 and 1987, weaknesses that if pointed out on this forum, will be denied existed before 1989.

I don't think Futch went to extremes either. I agree with most of what he said. But if someone made statements like that here they'd be accused of "having an agenda", of "being a hater".

 

But being a good weight is not proof that a fighter is fully prepared for a fight, just ask the Tyson fanatics. If it is a sign of being in a good condition then Tyson was fully prepared for Douglas, can't have it both ways.[/QUOTE]
Being a career heaviest and losing and dropping 7 lb s for the return fight and scoring an emphatic ko is an indication of being better prepared for the second fight than you were for the first imo. Found any of those primary sources that prove Douglas had influenza,swollen, tonsils ,and bronchitis just before fighting Tyson? Or shall we just put that in the same category as Hans Christian Anderson,and the Brothers Grimm?