IF IRON MIKE WAS UP AND COMING NOW,WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE?

He thinks he was! Who should we believe?

 

I appreciated him too, I sat next to him a couple of times at the fights and contrary to his Ragamuffin Man image I found him to be gracious and courteous to autograph hunters who came up and interrupted him watching the bouts. I just don't put him in the class of a prime Don Curry and I very much doubt anyone else does. ps Bumphus was on the gear by that stage. Lloyd looked terrible against Vaca, he never again reached the heights he had against Curry.Starling showed where he belonged in the pecking order.

 

If thats the case mate you need to watch the fight closer. Tysons power wasnt there...his timing wasnt there and his speed/strength wasnt there.

Your correct about tyson was always liable to be vulnerable to a good boxer with good movement good jab and that size over him. Tyson always was in almost every fight he had. They all had good jabs back in the day...they pretty much all had size over him and if you look back...they pretty much all had good movement too. But at the end of the day his power/speed was too much for them. Thats the missing ingredient against buster. It wasnt there that night. Tyrell biggs james tillis and the rest of them would have had the same field day douglas had on him.

The thing is buster was never that powerful...at no point in his career was buster thought of as powerful. And yet he was that night...because their was no massive threat coming back. Buster knew by the end of the first round. We can say a lot about tyson...but no ones softening up a prime tyson in a round...unless hes about 40 years old fighting lennox lewis. He wasnt predictable as the fight wore on he was predictable from the start. Go back and watch what buster did...he was a good fighter when fit...so we,re tillis, biggs, tubbs, all they guys. But more importantly look at what tyson never done that he always did. No head movement. Single punches. Lethargic from the start. Vastly diminished power. It was always about what tyson couldnt do on the night...it had very little to do with what douglas done as much as he capitalised on it. The rest of the eighties guys would have outboxed tyson the exact same way. Tyson wasnt really a boxer always liable to be outboxed anyway. He was always an intellegent fighter with massive power and speed but cant really be described as a boxer. Without the power they would have all outboxed him. Thats what people never really got when they match him up with holyfield and especially lewis.

Lewis would have outboxed him etc. They would all have outboxed him he was too small to box with them anyway. What he was good at though was landing...and when he did the opponents as much as they could outbox him starting falling apart. Going watch biggs v tyson. Biggs was outboxing tyson. Tyson stayed patient started landing then it was beginning of the end time. And biggs could take a shellacking...just watch the tillis fight.

Same with holyfield...he could punch...but he wasnt punching harder than a prime tyson. None of them we,re. Holyfield got hit too often too beat a prime tyson. Even if holyfield got off two to one. He still would have lost that fight. Tysons power sickened a lot of them. They even sounded different when they landed. That was the secret behind his early success.

 

Cheers fergy.

 

Have you got him on tape stating this?

 

I said i find Hagler "slightly" overrated. When prodded i fully elaborated why and used the word "smidge" as well. Your description of just "overrated" is a bit strong. Other fighters some might find me harsh on would be McCallum, Holmes, Pryor and Mugabi as i find them a touch overrated in here personally for various reasons. Holmes and Pryor are obviously ATG's tho and i have Holmes way up in my Top 10 Heavyweight list.

From memory you barely if at all separate Hagler and Duran ATG wise which would also go against common convention.

I respect Hagler as a fighter, he had to take the hard road coming up and took on all comers unlike so many others.

 

I have the written interview.

 

And this is a primary source? I need more than that.

 

Why you haven't produced one?

 

I've produced 3 separate sources, can you match or better that?

 

A 220 power house destroying everyone he faces.

Is probably consider him a smaller Joshua and would wonder how he'd be able to actually beat Joshua.

By this point Tyson won't have been dropped so you'd have to assume his chin is solid, where as by now Joshua has been hurt against Whyte and hurt against Joshua so I'd consider that maybe Tyson has a chance of winning if he gets there first.

 

I produced an excerpt from a face to face interview with Douglas .You produced 3 statements from journalists that contradicted each other ,none of which are verified as true, and no quotes from Douglas . Do you actually know how this works?

 

So 3 journalists made up these claims one by one?

 

I have a direct one to one interview with Douglas and have read another on line in which he talks about the fight ,in neither does he mention taking penicillin before the fight,nor make any reference to swollen tonsils,bronchits, or influenza .My interview had Douglas saying he was in top shape.Produce one with a quote by him saying he was suffering from the ailments you describe and taking the medication you mentioned for them. Otherwise its just a lot of hot air. I'll believe Douglas!