If it had been the other way round..

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by FROST, Sep 20, 2011.


  1. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,529
    76
    May 3, 2006
    My thoughts on the Mayweather-Ortiz ending.

    First of all, let me state that I am neither a fan of hypejob Victor Ortiz or Floyd Mayweather (though I respect his skills). So I have a pretty neutral view on this.

    Had it been the other way round - had Mayweather done something illegal (intenionally or unintentionally) and hugged his opponent in excuse for it, and had Ortiz then knocked him out with those cheap shots, I think the boxing world would be much more in uproar than it is now. Sure, all the Floyd-haters (and there are many of them) would have jubilated, but the serious boxing media and 'experts' would all have discredited the win. They'd say that Ortiz only won because he suckerpunched Mayweather, that it wasn't a valid win. And they would be totally right. But here come the double standards. Because Mayweather was the big favourite and well on his way to kick Ortiz butt anyway, this foul play seems to be accepted by most. 'Protect yourself at all times', well tough luck Ortiz... But calling a spade a spade, this wasn't right, and it was as unsportsmanlike as it can get. And Ortiz was the champ in this bout, not Mayweather, even if that may be quite irrelevant here. Mayweather has at least always stayed classy in the ring regardless of what he does outside of it, and I respected that, but that seems to be over now too.

    You can say that Ortiz got what he deserved, because he initiated the foul play (and I am not excusing him or downplaying his actions in any way). You can also say that Mayweather did nothing illegal if you go purely by the book. What I say is that Floyd cheated us fans by getting himself a cheap KO 'victory' , and that he would have won this far more impressively and fairly if he wanted to. He didn't need those cheap shots.

    Floyd likes to talk about cleaning up boxing, making it an honourable sport again, and so on - well, this isn't the way to do it...
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    38,117
    5
    Jun 26, 2007
    Protect yourself at all times. This ain't checkers or golf. It's a fight.
     
  3. mancat

    mancat Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,511
    1
    Jun 20, 2007
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDzH4U8bp08[/ame]
     
  4. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

    17,608
    23
    Oct 25, 2010
    It would have been ****ing hilarious either way.
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

    123,060
    35,179
    Jun 23, 2005
    Protect yourself at all times that goes for anybody who steps foot in a boxing ring.
     
  6. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,059
    8
    Feb 13, 2010
    Really good stuff. TY for posting that :good
     
  7. jonnytightlips

    jonnytightlips Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,384
    1
    Aug 1, 2008
    Exactly. Ortiz hugged and kissed Mayweather on the cheek. Then Cortez came over and took a point and whilst doing so Ortiz and Mayweather touched gloves. The ref said box on so what the **** was Ortiz trying to do in ****in hug Mayweather again. Stupid ****in mistake by Ortiz and Mayweather took advantage of the situation. Not to mention the fact the he was pissed off about the headbut and he has hit fighters in the past who wanted to touch gloves ala Mosley and Gatti.
     
  8. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,529
    76
    May 3, 2006
    it's still a sport where sportsmanlike behaviour should be valuated. That's my view on it. You don't hit a guy who just hugged you in excuse. Regardless if he started the foul play (and got penalized for it). That's just not right.

    Boxing is not MMA.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

    38,117
    5
    Jun 26, 2007
    Why the hell are we talking about sportsmanship in a sport where we cheer as two guys beat the **** out of eachother? Boxing is a brutal sport, more brutal than MMA.
     
  10. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

    79,438
    2,646
    Feb 1, 2007
    Floyd would never get caught by a sucker punch like that.
     
  11. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,017
    42
    Dec 1, 2007
    Don't you feel like sportsmanship goes out the window when somebody intentionally fouls you multiple times like Ortiz was doing? You want to hug that guy? Noway.

    Fight was on and I agree with his course of action: "Fights on, **** you and your hug."
     
  12. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,529
    76
    May 3, 2006
    Boxing is more than just a brutal sport, it's the sweet science. At any rate it's a sport, so sportsmanship should count. I know there's a lot of foul play in our sport, both in and outside the ring, but it shouldn't be that way. Personally, I don't watch boxing to see people get hurt, though I enjoy a nice KO at times. I rather want to see fights on a high technical level than a brutal 'entertaining' war. That's why I always liked to watch Floyd Mayweather in the ring, nice clean boxing in the true sense of the word.

    MMA to me is not a sport, it's just entertainment, sort of like a modern gladiator fight. Though I admit that the MMA performers are skilled too and real athletes and fighters.
     
  13. jonnytightlips

    jonnytightlips Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,384
    1
    Aug 1, 2008
    I cant help but feel reading about the whole situation that if someone like Duran did what Floyd did that he would be praised for his 'killer instinct'. Just a thought.
     
  14. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,529
    76
    May 3, 2006
    If it had been the other way round , you and many others here would be hollering about this being foul play.
     
  15. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,529
    76
    May 3, 2006
    I love Duran but he wouldn't get a pass from me if he did this. I feel that many give Floyd a pass for it. Ortiz wouldn't have gotten a pass for it (except by the Floyd-haters maybe).