If it is true that Evander uses PEDs, then he has no heart. Not in the way you think

Why?

Because contrary to popular belief, there are substances that exist that mimic a fighters "heart".

He is a warrior. But is is easier to be a warrior with performance enahncers. Just like it is easier to be a player with women when on morphine.


What say the classic forum?

 

He probably wasn't on anything at CW and showed the same manner there, to me...

 

Of course what I mean to say is that most of the talk of him using PEDs was a matter to build himself into a force as a HW and that he wouldn't have needed those same implied substances beforehand- not that I couldn't imagine him being on anything at CW, in the sense that any of these guys could be on anything.

 

I dont think he could have walked through the first punch of the fight he took from Mike Tyson in the first fight without being on some form of PCP or PED's. That shot would have probably knocked out any other fighter.

 

Maybe.

But a man has a limit, and will decline in every way.

"PEDS can't teach you to box, moron!”

Perhaps not. But once you have a solid base, it is like putting on a bench shirt.

The roids would most likely have helped him psychologically despite having a dubious rep.

 

And if he is on certain PEDs, it would give him superhiman recovery power.

Now, Evander has always fought in bursts, but this does not happen once an athlete becomes too old.

He does it pretty well for a guy his age.

 

It seems like you've been pretty intensely studying and contemplating EH's career every time I see one of your non-lounge threads. I find that interesting. I don't know, I think he was probably on them (Evan Fields), probably benefited, but also probably paid for the benefit in some fights like Moore I, possibly. :conf I wouldn't be confident, if he admitted to using them throughout his HW career, that it ultimately changed what he would've done all that much.

 

If it comes out that he was on PEDs then that's it for me. It would probably explain his muscle mass, his ability to hurt larger men, and that means that he would be labelled a cheater. And cheating in an event as grave as a boxing match makes the difference between life and death.

I've followed Holyfield since I was a kid and he faced Qawi I and was a fan since then. If he has been cheating during his HW tenure then I'd make the argument that we should do like the Romans did to the memory of traitors -erase him from monuments.

 

I would have to see some tangible evidence that he was using PEDs before I downgraded my assesment of him on that basis.

If Sam Langford were fighting today, then I have no doubt whatsoever that many people would acuse him of using steroids simply on the basis of his ability to effectivley move from lightweight to heavyweight and carry his power.

He obviously didnt because they were not available.

 

Nah. They gave him too much morphine at a bad time according to the Mayo Clinicians.

 

I can't argue with that (or can't be bothered).

I have more issue with people dismissing PEDs as irrelevant.

As I have often said, there is a bizarre lack of interest in his possible use. He himself admitted to using "hormonal something".

If Lennox took PEDs, imagine the outrage.

 

What I do know is that there were a lot of fighters from the era before PEDs were invented, who would probably have come under suspicion of using them today.

This makes me wary of banding acusations about without strong evidence.

 

Again, I agree with the principle completely.

It is a ***** move to accuse, even if you are suspicious.

Sure, I do it here. But ESB is ESB.

 

It is the double standards for one.