If it was an american with Joes record ??

Ive said it before if Joe Calzaghe was American he would already be an all time great.

****, they where all over Pavliks not so long ago.

 

i doubt it some americans might give him credit but mayweather has accomplished much more and doesnt even get the credit from most americans so what the **** you talking about

 

Mayweather has a terrible personality and is not exactly a toe to toe merchant.

 

It would depend upon when it occurred. If it was RM and accomplished in the 50s he would be an ATG with the caveat being he didn't have to fight any tough bros (only old ones who still gave him hell) so under careful scrutiny he was likely overrated.

If Joe had been American he would have already been forced to step up in the mid-90s and would quite likely have been given several losses and possibly had his career ruined (because he wouldn't have been allowed to duck all the tough bros in this country). Joe would have been thrown into the fire and forced to sink or swim - not pick and choose opponents for the entirety of his career.

If he had managed to fight all available comp and remained undefeated he would be a HUGE MEGA STAR (Leonard/Hearns/Hagler/Jones). Our country is still approximately 2/3 "white" so a successful white boxer would receive adoration for such an accomplishment. But, this is also why at first glance no one over here takes it seriously and certainly not based upon lip service. "White" boxers in the US haven't done **** as long as boxing has been integrated in a country where they are the extreme numerical majority. As a kid, my dad would take me to watch the heavyweight Jerry Quarry (and his younger, much smaller brother Mike Quarry) fight. Pretty slim pickings in such an ample talent pool.

This situation has been repeated in more than just boxing. Everyone has their anecdotal experiences. When I was a ten (living in a lower middle class area) I learned to play basketball. The good players played on one large court and the rest used the surrounding half courts. I never got in the big game. Three months into the year we moved into a middle class neighborhood (entirely white) and I was immediately the best player in the whole school. Not all sports went that way of course (baseball was fairly equivalent between the two).

As it is, you can't find a thousand sport fans (unless their family has Welsh roots) that would know who the hell Joe is RIGHT NOW. He didn't impress versus Hopkins and if he doesn't raise his performance against Jones he will remain COMPLETELY unknown over here. No exaggeration or minimization of Joe - just an absolute fact.

 

It`s called short term American memory syndrome.

 

I was among those thinking Lacy would railroad as he was a very impressive fighter despite the current detractors of Lacy. I was proven wrong and had a newfound respect for Calzaghe.

 

European fighters will always reign supreme and are getting stronger every year.

 

Nah even the best American fighters have haters, Mayweather, RJJ, DeLa hoya, etc all have a strong group of people who hate them...

It just seems when a foreigner with an impressive record is out there, they ten to unite in their hate, strange.:nut

 

He's in ATG in my book...not because of his record...but because he always comes out big in fights that most people say he will lose, as well as throw people out of their comfort zone...EVERYONE he has faced never fights the way they want to when they fight B-Hop...NOT TO MENTION THE ****IN AGE THIS GUY IS FIGHTING AT!!!:yikes

and although he is boring to one who doesnt know what it takes to be a boxer...TRUE boxing fans understand what he's doing and enjoy his brillance...but yes...he is VERY boring...:-((

AND EVEN ME AS A "YANK" questions his record...not his ability...his record...imo most of his highlight fights were against blown up welterweights...

 

Naa man...you OBVIOUSLY arent from here...

there's a reason why most AMERICAN FIGHT FANS...call him Gayweather

and its because they dont question his abilities...but his LACK OF OPPOSITION!

same goes for Joe...they hate him because he's a paper champ...everyone hates on an undefeated fighter because they tend to usually walk cautiously towards who they face because they love the "O" so much...as opposed to the glory days of boxing when people didn't really care for having an "O" on their record but rather fighting the best...shuting the critics up...in Joe's case...he fights past prime legends and thinks that earns him some sort of accolades or somethin...

there are still plenty of people he should be facing...just to name 2, Froch and Dawson...beating this VERY talented and VERY young up and comers will shut up MANY critics...


i personally hate him because he lacks both natural boxing ability and a thread of serious opposition...the guy boxes like he's in a high school brawl...he demeans the science of boxing...if it wasnt for his workrate Calzaghe would suck ass

 

I would bet that the only Hopkins fight you have ever seen is the one against the sheep shagger

 

Cmon mate alot of Hopkins fights are dull, an awful lot...:roll: