If it was an american with Joes record ??

Hopkins fought manny undefeated fighters and lots of them were considered 'safe' fights..because at the end of the day being undefeated means very little, its the level of competition you have beat and prior to his wins over Lacy and Kessler Calzaghe had very little to reccomend him as a threat. Knock out artists like Pavlik are usually feared more than merely undefeated fighteres..the king slapper of the WBO had very little in terms of style of resume that would inspire fear into American champions.

 

So how the hell can you claim that beating one of the top five P4P boxers in the world right now (and presumably the only one of the top five anywhere near his weight class) 'leave question marks against his resume' that would be answered by fighting someone who you consider 'untested'?

 

wow...no he didnt...he wanted nothing to do with Cotto...its because of Cotto and Margo that he left the damn sport to do talk shows and wrestle

ill say he was at his best when he first started...but the second he started fighting at 140+ his record consists of

Judah (who has the will of a 6 yr old girl)
Baldomir (everyone knows this guy was a joke)
DLH (a cant pull the trigger FAR PAST IT big name)
Hatton (who had to move up in weight)

when he dodged

PW, Clottey, Margo, Cintron, Shane, Cotto, Quintana, Torres...i mean ****...the list goes on and on...

all heavy handed pressure fighters that would've gave him hell and a brutal KO considering he had a hard time with Castillo


so you need to get off them nuts...but i will say that he is a TALENTED FIGHTER! skills that paid the bills and a persona that put asses in the stands...and seeing as how he has all this talent...its an insult that has makes so much money not fighting good fights and taking money out of our pockets with this horse**** opposition

 

Are you serious? james Toney woulda whipped the hell out of Calzaghe

 

Is this the 'if he had a time machine' theory again?

 

Membership has it's privelages, Dingleberry.

 

i think your timeline is a bit of sinc with reality, Toney lost his 168 title in 94, Joe didnt win his til 97, how wouldve Toney tested him, he wasnt even a super middle at the time...?

Who else would you have tested Joe against, be careful now I dont think boxing history is your strong point...:roll:

 

I'm talking about if the 2 would've fought. Theis primes at 168. Joe woulda got schooled by a prime Toney

 

****in dammit man!:roll: how many times do i have to repeat the damn fact that Hopkins had already done what he had to ****in do to put himself at that spot when he was an up and comer himself (but i put him up there for his abilities not his record and always rising on top when hes the underdog)...now hes just ****in' old and trying to prove that age dont mean a thing when it clearly does...and read previous posts about Pavlik before you bring that **** up

so fighting someone who has the talent to put himself on that p4p list, a hungry ambition, and youthful swing in his step would prove a stronger point than fighting old men...theyre not in the mindset to try and fight hard to get that W unlike Calzaghe who needs the W so that he can go on and on as he does about how he "beats the best"

 

But they couldnt have fought could they. Yo said if he were American he wouldve been tested, what fighters do yu think make an adequate test, excluding the guys he did actually beat...?:think

 

****IN THANK YOU!! jesus...a fighter such as the way you described...GET RESPECT!...sometimes too much (in Pavlik's case) but RESPECT nonetheless