If it was an american with Joes record ??

Roy Jones was a light heavy when Joe was at his peak at 68.

So because he didnt fight Jones he is an untested paper champ, your an idiot.

For the record I think Jones Jr is one of the best of all time and would not confidently pick anyone to beat a prime Roy Jones.

but thats takes fuk all away from Calzaghe, he beat the best fighters in his division that were willing to fight him, won all four major titles, inc 20 defences, before moving up at 75 and beating the Rings light heavy champ on the champs home soil.

Joe Calzaghe has a fantastic record.

 

i dont think he was paid but moreso busting a Marlon Wright and looking after his hometown hero...

 

ill give him credit for beating the biggest names in his weight division after Jones cleaned slate in the same division and for unifying belts...

but even Calzaghe acknowledges that he hasnt had his DEFINING moment yet...and beating RJJ isnt going to give him that...and thats IF HE BEATS him...which is likely but who knows

 

Actually, there is more than a small measure of truth to this. Hop is not looking to fight guys like Dawson or a S. George, for example. A middle aged athlete in many cases isn't looking to meet up with the toughest guns around. Hop at 43 may certainly still be able to bring his "A" game and defeat them. He might also get caught, hurt, and punished. It doesn't mean that Hopkins believes they are better than him today but he surely recognizes that his body is 43 years old while their body is a right peak 28. Only a few things would motivate an older, successful boxer to meet up with them. One, would be for huge money and titles. The other would be if you were near the end years of your career and while successful, had managed to avoid fighting anyone of merit so that your "legacy" wasn't established or assured. Hop's legacy is assured. Hop selected Pavlik because he didn't see much of a difference in overall power between him and JT (the last risky fight he took). Both JT and Pavlik were middleweights. Hop was starving himself at middle and consequently was at greater risk of getting overpowered if he stayed there any longer (and fought a young stud). Hop is an old LHW (just like Jones, Tarver, and now Calzaghe) and he wouldn't want a piece of Chad or Shaun George today. It is enough knowing he could have defeated them prime for prime. The older fighter will always choose the easier route to money and titles. The older guys are still great fighters but they are far less of a risk of causing him to get permanently hurt if he has a bad night. To some extent, it could be true that some of the P4P attribution is a product of what was done in the past rather than their ability to be dominant today (for both Calzaghe and Hopkins).

 

if you watch the fight, Hatton was rabbit punching and rough housing a bit too much that might have put a much closer watch on Hatton than on Mayweather

Hopkins on the other hand holds fighters to stop them from doing anything flush...he might throw a body shot or two but nothing insane...

but yes...Cortez favors American fighters...

they shoulda put TONY WEEKS!! that guy cracks me up...

 

this guy may be a noob to this site...but he ****in knows his ****!

 

Mexico's Ricardo Lopez retired after 52 fights unbeaten. There was no great fanfare about that because his resume was not stacked with great names, when he could have fought guys like Michael Carbajal and Humberto Gonzalez.

Exact same situation with Calzaghe.

The zero means nothing compared to maybe losing your zero but taking on many brutal challenges and achieving great wins against tough tough opposition on a regular basis.

Lopez and Calzaghe have zero's intact, but their resumes do not compare to those of Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, James Toney, Felix Trinidad, Roy Jones Jr and Floyd Mayweather.

 

If Joe Calzaghe was American he would not be on even one Yankee Doodle Dandy maniac's top 5 all-time p4p list you silly *******.

ROBINSON
GREB
ARMSTRONG
ALI
CHARLES

Which one of those five American boxers would he be perceived to be greater than?

You're a bad joke.

 

Shaun George?

Seriously?

 

Yeah that stroke me as odd, too. :huh

 

Quite.

Or, do you think an old fighter is fearful of another old fighter with skills?

It is how hard Dawson (and George, for example) can hit that is unpalatable. No one fears getting slapped. Dawson isn't the end all, but his offensive skills are top notch. George is pretty close.