If jake la motta was fighting today

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  1. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    I think he would do well at 160 the division kind of sucks nowadays but martinez would beat him up.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    I can't believe you had the cheek to insult my boxing knowledge, for saying the winner of ward/froch would be the king at 168, only to come out with this.

    actually speechless.

    just for curiosity's sake, for shits and giggles, could you please list the men fighting today between 135 and 160 that you think would beat Ray Robinson.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    :huh:huh:huh

    I had you pegged as a modernist.
     
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  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    In some ways yes, ie nutrition/diet/training science. Boxing knowledge probably peaked from the 40s into the early 90s, there is a clear drop off in the last 15-20 years skill wise of the talent that's coming onto the scene
     
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  5. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :bolt
     
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  6. Thread Stealer

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    He didn't really fight like he did in the movie, and usually was much harder to hit the punching bag you saw in the last 3 rounds of the sixth SRR fight.

    He actually had skills and defense.
     
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  7. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    The guy beat SRR with those "limited skills" and face-first style and there isn't anyone comparable to SRR today. LaMotta would definitely have some hardware.
     
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  8. Zerwas1

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    Maybe his style wouldn't be that crude in modern days.
    With modern day training he could go as far as then
     
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  9. Son of Gaul

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    Agreed. He would be a bit short for the current SMW division but he'd have a good deal of success at MW. He'd have some serious wars at JMW if he could make weight. Imagine him squaring off against Wolak or Margarito!
     
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  10. Brickhaus

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    He'd be a top 5 guy without a problem, but since guys these days just don't fight as much, he wouldn't have the same career-defining wins he did back then. I could easily see him picking up a belt and hanging onto it for a long time though. Guys like Martinez and Pavlik would have given him major problems, but on the other hand I could see him beating guys like Geale and Sylvester without much trouble. 12 round fights rather than 15 would play against him, since he had great stamina and a great chin and was really more about outworking his opponents than anything.

    Hell, these days he probably would have fought at 154 anyway, since he'd be able to weigh in the day before and have access to modern training methods. Do you see anyone at all at 154 you'd favor to beat him? I don't.
     
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  11. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    LaMotta+Margarito is a recipe for brain damage!
     
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  12. cnamdam

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    chavaz junior is well above la mottas level,there really is no argument when you watch video of them both,chavez wont lose 18 or 19 fights or whatever either
     
    cnamdam, Aug 19, 2011
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  13. LONGROB

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    Against the same schedule, JCC doesn't even come close to a title. Chavez Jr would have 6 sure ko losses against Ray Robinson.
     
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  14. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Your for real man ? Seriously comparing la motta with jr?
     
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  15. LONGROB

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    You keep comparing Boxing to MMA. MMA was a new sport in 1993, and has evolved in to what it is today. There is only so much technique that can be learned. MMA will peak in development in the next decade or two also.

    By the time Robinson and Lamotta were on the scene boxing technique was developed, trainers knew how to get a fighter in shape, and the talent pool was huge. There are advantages to todays training, but I'll take talent over so called advanced nutrition etc any day.

    Please, don't try the ''you've never trained before.'' I have fought as both an amateur and as a pro. Honestly, I never got great results out of doing anything but the basics. Shadow boxing, skipping, sparring, bag work, roadword, and calesthenics. Anytime I devoted much to strength training, plyometrics, etc my work rate decreased, and the additional work load took away from my actual boxing recovery. As far as supplements, I never saw much difference in eating plain old natural foods, and being on a specialized diet from a sports nutritionist that was full of supplements and shakes.
     
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