If Jeffries' was on Louis' resume... where would he rank

If Louis won, then he would be the standout win of the resume, and a potential game changer.

For many it would seal the deal on the Louis Ali question.

 

I would pick Louis to beat Jeffries with his precision punching and great jab so for me it wouldn't alter Joe's status.Jeffries is outside my top ten A T , as are all Louis' opponents ,but he would rank with Baer,and Walcott,so top 3.

 

For me both beat Jeffries, with Ali doing it more clearly ,if not as decisively,so it wouldn't alter their respective placings as far as I'm concerned, but then Louis isn't in my top 3 p4p.

 

Who cares what we think might have happened?

If we could predict the outcomes of contemporary fights, we wouldn't have to work for a living.

It comes down to who they beat in the real universe, so Jeffries should be a game changer on a resume.

 

I don't have to work for a living and haven't for 18 years! The only way it would be a game changer for me is if Jeffries won! Then I would have to drastically elevate his standing, from about 15th to top 4!

 

Perhaps you don't place enough weighting on the fights that actually happened.

 

In which respect? Please give examples.

 

You say, fighter A would beat fighter B in my opinion, so fighter A is ranked higher.

Sometimes fighter B proved a lot more in practice, and that would be my final consideration.

 

Louis is the number 2 heavyweight on my list. Jeffries would be his best win, but he would remain number 2 behind Ali IMO. Pound for Pound, it should see him sneak into my top 10, which he currently hovers just outside.

 

If I think A would beat B ,imo then I do rank A higher ,if I didn't I would be an imbecile would I not?

Which opponent of Jeffries would beat Louis?
Which one would go 20/ 25 rds with him? Corbett? Choynski? Sharkey?Ruhlin? Who?

 

Well, many of Jeffries better opponents by historians are viewed as better than Louis best opponents and the rankings stayed that way until the people who saw Jeffries dies out. This is a fact. So if primary eyes who saw them matter, there you have it.

Corbett could outbox Louis, If they fight in a large ring for 15 rounds, Corbett has a real chance to do so. He was a bigger Billy Conn.

Sharkey could catch and floor Louis, and he was a heck of a lot better than Tony Galento

Fitzsimmons had the power to KO Louis for sure. With Louis defense you just never know.

The bottom line Louis was a skilled puncher in an era with none outside of Schmeling, and maybe 1-2 others. Even Ring Magazine says the time where Louis ruled was the weakest era of heavyweight boxing, and they said this around 2015 where they ranked eras

Louis best opponents were Schmeling, M Baer, Charles, Marciano, and Walcott.

If you think Walcott was robbed in the first fights as 2/3 majority at ringside scoring do, Louis' record vs the best he fought is 3 wins and 4 losses. Sure Louis was older but still decent vs Marciano, but Schmeling himself was said to be past his best when he upset Louis

 

No.

You would merely be recognizing that your prediction could be wrong, and thus placing a greater weighting upon what was certain i.e. the fighters resumes.

I would be in no hurry to throw him in against Joe Choynski in his eighth professional fight.

I don't think it is unrealistic to imagine that somebody like Corbett could have replicated what Bob Pastor did.

 

Jeffries didn't die until 1953 ,those who saw him saw Louis and I don't think many rated him above Louis! Maybe a couple of old time boxing writers.
Corbett couldn't outbox Fitz for 15rds!
He has no chance doing it to Louis!
Conn was faster than Corbett and just as tall,he had a better chin and probably hit harder!
He stopped Pastor which was quite a feat.
Sharkey was one punch kod by Fitz twice, he was wide open ,he hasn't a prayer against Louis.
I don't know if Walcott was robbed against Louis because I haven't seen the complete fight,and neither have you!
Corbett's record against the best he fought is.
1 Win .Over a near 34 years old alcoholic Sullivan who hadn't fought in over 4 and a half years!
2.A No Dec with Jackson.
3..A ko loss to Fitzsimmons
4.A ko loss to Jeffries
5.Another ko loss to Jeffries
6.A draw with Sharkey , most thought Sharkey deserved the decision
7.A Dsq loss against Sharkey when his second second entered the ring to prevent him being ko'd!
7 fights 1 win. I No Dec 3.Ko losses. ID.I Dsq Loss.

Bottom line,to suggest that Louis's reign of 12 years did not see deeper opposition than Corbett's is absolutely ridiculous.Corbett made 1 successful title defence against a past it 5'9" middleweight!
Schmeling was past his best when Louis beat him ,he was 32.
How old was Corbett , and Fitzsimmons when Jeffries beat them? lol
Corbett 34 & 36 . Fitz 36 & 39! Add to that both were coming out of retirement!
Schmeling had fought just a month earlier was on a 3 fight win spree having beaten
Neusel,Hamas,and Uzcudun on the belt! I've enjoyed this its always nice rubbing your nose in it!
Got to go now,I'm having a lunchtime drink with some friends before getting an early night before flying out to Bergamo Italy early in the morning.I'll watch the Parker v Fury fight on my phone when I'm in the air.

N.B.
Still waiting for you to state which fights of Peter Jackson and Jack Johnson George Siler refereed,perhaps you can produce them by the time I'm back from my short holiday?lol

 

Louis best Jeffries would not alter Joes status. He is already 1 or 2 all time hwt. Beating Jeffries does not mean he beats Ali.