If Jim Jeffries had never been born

Agreed on many points. Johnson's legacy boost is for beating a washed up Jeffries, who likely would have whipped Johnson as champion from 1899-1904. No one things Marciano's best moment was beating Louis or Holmes best moment was beating Ali.

With Jeffries out of the picture, and Fitz losing around 1905, O'Brien is ripe to be taken. Burns had his number, the fight is mostly on film to see.

In history Hart vs. Johnson was billed as an elimination match to meet Jeffries. It was high stakes, Hart won it. But Burns had Hart's number. Could Johnson get a shot sooner? Yes if he can come up with the same type of money to lure in Burns! Actually Burns was supposed to fight Sam McVey first, but it became Johnson. That would have been a very interesting match ( Burns vs McVey for the title ), worthy of its own thread!

Should Johnson have defended the title against Langford, Jeannette, and Mcvey, plus say Smith from 1909-1914? Absolutely, and if he did his title reign would have ended sooner ( someone's beating him ), with Willard likely emerging as the top dog around 1915 as he was in his prime by that time and the others were not. Heck, if the 1913 match between Battling Jim and Jack Johnson was more than 10 rounds, we might have had a new champion.

 

You can expect a NO REPLY.

For ****'s sake give it a rest you bloody half wit.
Start your own hate threads and if anyone wants to join you they can do so!
You're like a virus on this Forum!

 

That's it, you encourage the idiot!

 

No it means he repeats a lot of lies ad nauseum!Read the political **** he posted in the thread earlier and the BS about GunBoat Smith.
God All Mighty I'm so sick of the ****s lies!
"If you bothered to check, those early American presidents were you were referring to were English by decent. Duh. I'll spare you how the UK treated others in their empire at their height of power centuries back, but thanks for that lovely holiday you gave us in early July.

I have shown you news reads that say Johnson was down and seeing stars to the point where his manager had to save him in the 4 round exhibition match vs. GB Smith in 1909. Smith had some pop, but he did not hit as hard a Sam McVey or Sam Langford in their prime from 1908-1914, which were top fighters Johnson avoided for title matches.

***Don't you think GB Smith deserved a title match vs. Johnson? Care to answer that, or should I expect a no reply yet again from you?***

IMO Smith was better than Moran ( who he beat ) and defeated Willard who KO'd Johnson. Smith also beat Flynn and Ross. These guys four were Jack Johnson title opponents! " And he never forgot it " Smith quoted in the book In This Corner talking about the punch that floored Johnson. Also, Smith officially defeated a prime Sam Langford, which is better than any single win Johnson ever had.

WTF has the above to do with the thread?

 

Just imagine if Jim Jeffries never boxed. Our very own Mcvey would lose 20,000 of his 77,039 posts.

The title of the thread is who history would change, so it has to impact Johnson as well.

 

QUOTE="Mendoza, post: 19007053, member: 19227"]Just imagine if Jim Jeffries never boxed. Our very own Mcvey would lose 20,000 of his 77,039 posts.

The title of the thread is who history would change, so it has to impact Johnson as well.[/QUOTE]

You do know this makes no sense don't you? If Jack Johnson had not existed, neither would you have as far as this Forum is concerned!