If JMM beats Casamayor while Calzaghe beats up a faded legend, should JMM jump to #2?

That comment was mainly for your own good. If you want people to understand the poinst you are trying to make, they need to be able to see your arguments clearly.

With some of the stuff you've posted, it's very unclear as to who said what.

I could simply ignore it and let you continue posting in that fashion.

I expect my comment to spur you to investigate this a little, and so make your future points a little more clear, even if no more cogent.

So I'm helping you here, dude.

Again, heaping general mock praise on CHJ is far from ME making a comment on the lb-for-lb.

And a sentence such as

"Your knowledge of boxing and boxing history is exceeded only by your interminable and boundless patience"

is so clearly satirical that a 12 yeqr-old would 'get it.'

(Surely, you've come accross the "your **** is exceeded only by your**** " cliche before, both in literature and and in the pub.)

I'm not certain what

I'm currently meeting with someone at work, but I will come back to your last point later.

 

this is interesting. half the people in ESB would move jmm past calzaghe if he would beat casamayor. we could maybe see marquez as the #2 p4p and it could put pressure on pac to fight him a third time.

 

Seriously traumatized by that rascal.

Hopping mad, and it's been almost a month.

BTW, you are dealing with a guy who thought that Hopkins beat Calzaghe.

I don't know if he thought so, ever since the fight, or if this pathology presented as a result of the trauma you mention.

Someone should look into a cure for PCHJET (Post ChinaHandJoe Encounter Trauma).

It's only a matter of time till some smart lawyer sues the forum for damages inflicted to some poor sod's psyche.

 

Well thank you for those kind words.

Your perspicacity and insight into human goodness is exceeded only by your generosity of spirit.


And so much more cordial than

How long before the truth enters your cranium ?

I posted:

If you can’t discern the patently satirical nature of that post, there is no hope for you.

The very essence of sarcasm is to do just that, to exaggerate the very opposite of what you really mean:

E.g.

Obviously, Brazil doesn’t have any good football players, do they?

For one who is so sarcastic, you now don’t appear to know what sarcasm is.

Nothing could be less obvious.

The post you refer to was posted at 5:52.

The PM that Caldragon was kind enough to share with the forum, was sent to him at 5:08, some forty-four minutes earlier. In that PM, I advised him that “Some of us are just taking the **** out of all the Calzaghe haters.”

Besides, if you'd been around this forum any length of time you would know that I have frequently questioned the whole notion of lb-for-lb, and denigrated its usefulness. I've participated in discussions that have ended with me stating that I frequently didn't know whether every poster who uses the term, means it in the same sense. So I sure as hell didn't comment, positively or negatively on anyones idea of what it meant, nor do I now "know better" as I still have little use for the concept as a tool of comparison.

Again, you’re confused. This time you’re confusing you with me. You’re the one who frequently dismisses people’s opinions in arrogant fashion.

In answer to a perfectly reasonable point posted by a very reasonable poster:

You wrote:

Utterly dismissive of an explanation of something you don’t understand, and a pretty low putdown of a good poster.


And:

...and so on.



I don’t recall dismissing anyone’s opinions, even those I thoroughly disagree with.





Regarding your point about my placing Calzaghe at five in the last 25 years, it will be addressed in the next post as this one is getting lengthy.

 

In response to sdsfinest22’s post # 591 of that thread, wherein he listed nine fighters he felt were better than Calzaghe, I posted # 594. In my response, I disqualified six of his names on the grounds of ineligibility or merit, and wrote:

So, in a sidetrack from the main theme of the thread which (for me, at least) was the assumed resume lark going on simultaneously, and book-ending these posts, I took a quick glimpse at the fells’s list and reduced it from nine to three. I allowed that if I gave it some thought, I might add a couple more, which would leave Joe about # 5 in the past 25 years. (Actually adding two would put Joe at # 6).


I had not given much thought prior to that as to where to place him over 25 years.

For some time, I have ranked him currently as second best (The best being FMJ).
With Floyd’s retirement, I would rank him the current best, but I wouldn’t get outraged at Pac having that position in the RING rankings.



Now to your list, and I have now given it some thought.
(BTW, I noticed you accorded so much esteem to Lopez and Morales that you included them twice, but I see you’ve fixed that.)


I have divided your list into three groups:



Greater:

Pernell Whitaker
Roy Jones Jr
Julio Cesar Chavez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Ricardo Lopez

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Oscar De La Hoya



A case could be made either way:

Mike McCallum
Lennox Lewis
James Toney
Evander Holyfield
Azumah Nelson
Bernard Hopkins



It would be hard to persuade me:

Manny Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Mike Tyson
Hector Camacho
Felix Trinidad




Thomas Hearns was probably greater, but not in the time period under discussion.




So, that leaves me placing Joe somewhere between #7 and #13 over the past 25 years.

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