If JMM beats Casamayor while Calzaghe beats up a faded legend, should JMM jump to #2?

JMM beating Casa would be a much bigger achievement than Joe beating Roy. However, a lot depends on the manner of victory though. Bit of a lose lose situation for Joe as either way this fight does his legacy no good. Think that there is a real potential for an upset. It's a long shot but not too far-fetched. Hopefully we'll see two big fights in JMM v Pac 3 and Joe v Pavlik in 2009. Both fights would be between legitimate p4ps and would be massive events.

 

It would depend on how each of them won their fights, regardless of who's opponent is faded..

 

Casamayor is a faded legend as well.

I don't give either Roy nor Casa more than a puncher's chance of winning their respective fights, so I don't see why a win over either one should affect their respective rankings.

 

Completely agree that it was Joe's own fault. Plenty of fights out there for him to cement his reputation.

Maybe it was my heart and not my head talking when i said there was real potential for an upset. Do think that if a properly conditioned and motivated roy turns up it could be interesting for 7 or 8 rounds at least. At least roy won't have to worry about Joe knocking him out. Only chance of a Joe stoppage is if he swarms Roy with punches and make it look like he's in more trouble than he is

 

I believe I've mentioned this before, but some of what you term 'fan-boyism' is tongue-in-cheek reaction to the scads and scads of anti-Calzaghe drivel that was evident on this board since just before the Lacy fight. (And not just directed at Calzaghe, but at all Euro fighters).

Undoubtedly, there are Calzaghe 'fanboys', but they are a small group in comparison to those who've posted anti-Calzaghe nonesense at every opportunity.

A longer stretch on the board would have made this evident.

 

How a fighter is stopped is hardly a relevant measure of the dominance of the winner.

Lacy wasn't stopped at all, but was dominated to a far greater degree than say Hearns was in his first fight with Leonard (Leonard won stoppage in round 13) or Oscar was in his 9th round loss to Bernard.

And a quick perusal of BoxRec is no substitute for having actually seen the fights. You cite 30 stoppages and compare them to the Manfredo stoppage (BTW, was it Joe's fault the guy stopped fighting?) when most of his early career stoppages bore no resemblence to that bout.

One of the most brutal stoppages of recent years was Tarver-Jones (2), and that was a TKO.

And when Kostya made Zab do the chicken dance, that was a TKO.

More recently, does it diminish Margarito's stoppage over Cotto that it was a TKO.

Your post speaks volumes on the bias I mentioned in an earlier post.

 

The answer is no. I guess we're all forgetting that Cas should've never gotten the nod over Santa Cruz and was clearly losing against Katsidis before Katsidis literarlly ran into that left hook. Beating Casa is not much better than Calzaghe beating Roy. In fact the Roy win might even be better. You also have to consider that Marquez lost his last fight and Calzaghe beat Hopkins in his last fight. Sorry, in no way can JMM jump to no.2 on the strenght of beating Casa.

 

I couldn't disagree more. First off, Marquez lost to Pac despite how you might have scored the fight. Only a scoring error prevented him from having two losses against Pac. Second, Casa was on his way to losing to a punching bag himself before Katsidis lost his mind. Casa is cleary on the slide. His only saving grace is that tainted ring belt that he has.

 

All the haters make that same excuse.

Divac claims to get riled by Pac's fanboys and Jack Presscott denies any hate for Oscar and has coined the term 'Oscarsexual' to describe what he terms fanboys.

The foregoing is evidence of the fact that you can't distinguish irony from serious posting.

Is that so ? By definition ?

If you don't notice the logical flaw in this line of argument, I can't help you.

They stand. And will be judged by the forum as a whole.

 

I do think so. I've been on this board far longer than you and some of the abuse I got before the Lacy fight because I am a Calzaghe fan was so far past unreasonable it's not funny. Take China Hand Joe for example, alot he says can't be taken seriously when it comes to Joe, but IMO he says these things to counter the BS we have had to put up with for being born outside of the US and A. I wish the forum never crashed so I could show you the threads I'm on about.