If JMM beats Casamayor while Calzaghe beats up a faded legend, should JMM jump to #2?

OK, first-off, two rational boxing fans can surely discount early career fights from discussions like these. Almost every top 10 ranked boxer there is was blowing away handpicked binmen and factory workers in 4 rounders, so if that's your evidence for Calzaghe's KO power, we are on a different page. And even though I still think that the fact Calzaghe had so few legitimate KOs early in his career v that calibre of opposition is solid evidence that I am correct, we should discount them from the debate, as its world title fights against decent opposition that really matter in his career.

You still don't even understand what I and the other chap were talking about, you are blinded by your need to defend Calzaghe against an attack that didn't exist in the first place. Your problem seems to be your continual fixation on how a stoppage does not show the dominance of a bout- but why does the level of dominance throughout the bout matter when the discussion I and the other dude were having was on HOW the Jones-Calzaghe fight would stop if it is stopped. We agreed it was more likely to be stopped by one of Calzaghe's swarm attacks rather than a proper KO or a Tszyu-Judah/Tarver-Jones TKO that was in effect a KO anyway. If you so vehemently disagree, why haven't you started your BS with the other 2 people on this thread who agreed?? I smell agenda.

Calzaghe's world title record: 23 wins, 11 stoppages- TKOs: 11, KOs: Zero.

I doubt many of those 11 were Tszyu-Judah style TKOs when it's over anyway, I bet more than half of the guys were still on their feet. I remember in particular Branko Sobot, Mario Veit in their 1st fight, Byron Mitchell and Peter Manfredo Jr being stopped by blinding flurries and complaining after the stoppage.

Sorry, but I feel vindicated in agreeing with the other guy's earlier point, Calzaghe's best chance of stopping Jones is with a lightning fast flurry that will force the ref to intervene even though RJJ may not be hurt, the same as he did to Manfredo. I think the fact he has 30 TKOs and 2 KOs in his career indicates this to be the case, as does the fact he has 11 TKOs and zero KOs from world title stoppages. If you disagree then fine, but your attempts at a character assassination have been both unwarranted and unfair.

 

Yawn. Go check my threads and then tell me you can count the number of non-Calzaghe threads I've started on one hand. You must be a mutant from Chernobyl then, as my non-JC threads far outnumber my JC threads. I won't hold out for an apology though.

How exactly am I worse than anyone when I have never written one criticism that I haven't backed up with reasoning and evidence? You may disagree with my reasoning, but the fact I provide it mean I am not a fanboy of anyone, unlike you.

JC is taking the easy option, beating up a shot fighter for money. I don't respect it, in fact I think it's pretty vile when there is a legitimate challenge there for him. My opinion.

 

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26 people have voted for my proposal, 23 against. How can my thread be called irrational or hate then?



If you don't notice the logical flaw in this line of argument, I can't help you.


You said "I stand by my opinion and it will be judged by the forum". And yet here you very smugly discredit the forum by implying that the only people who took part in this are irrational/haters. Well why did you offer up yourself for the judgment of the forum, if you do not have any faith in the forum? Highly contradictory.

I will stand by my challenge. My friend who used this username for a short time until he got his own didn't write anything about Calzaghe as far as I recall, or at least he wouldn't have wrote anything I wouldn't wholly concur with as we are of a similar mindset regarding the Welsh dragon. So, take me up on it or apologize for slurring me wrongly.

However, I expect nothing but another feeble bitchy reply.

 

I see there has been no attempt made to counter any of this. Clearly cuchulain you prefer a *****-fight about irony or past posts to actually tackling the matter at hand. Rather poor conduct on a boxing forum.

 

I am a PHD student of English literature, so don't embarrass yourself here, seriously. If you think saying "Calzaghe is amazing" when really you do not think he is, is a suitable application of irony, you truly are a knucklehead of the very highest quality.

 

And yet despite all this smug lampooning, you still have no answer for why you started this whole argument by criticizing me for agreeing with someone who said Calzaghe's best chance of a stoppage is a Manfredo-esque slapstorm- while a few others agreed and you didn't attack them. Agenda maybe??

You also still haven't managed to connect how your extensive rants about how a stoppage doesn't reflect the dominance of a bout has ABSOLUTELTY NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the subject we were discussing- the nature of a stoppage.

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Very clearly, you see a TKO as being somehow less legitimate than a KO.

A TKO is less legitimate than a KO because it is not a KO!! Truly your Calzaghe bias is reaching epic proportions now. A KO means the downed fighter cannot continue, a TKO is often the referee's erroneous opinion. A man who has a vast majority of TKOs to KOs therefore obviously cannot have as concussive punch-power as a guy who has a majority over KOs to TKOs- and this is precisely what we were speaking about. Calzaghe's best chance of a stoppage would be a TKO in the same vein as he has done so many times before, and not a solid KO. How you continue to dig your heels in and not admit you started an argument by leaping in to defend Calzaghe against an attack that wasn't there is baffling. I think it's clear you know you misunderstood the comments, took offence, started an argument along different lines to what was being discussed, but now you don't want to lose face by admitting it. Poor.



And yet you contradict yourself in the same post.

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Contradict myself? Another characteristic error from you. Look back and you will see I continually make the distinction between a Tszyu-Judah stoppage and a Manfredo stoppage. One is legitimate, the other often not.


You get taken for a ride in a spoof thread, feel somewhat foolish, decide that it wasn't very funny (not for you, perhaps), and rail against all Calzaghe fans, just because you've been had (or owned, as the kids say nowadays).

I, and many many others, joined that thread intermittently to utterly annihilate the nonsensical arguments of the Irony Club, they looked like utter idiots, and it was a pleasure to participate. Believe me, it was more fun for me and others to continually disprove their rubbish than it was for them to grin and take it and come back with nothing of substance.


You have descended into abusive language, as if that would butress your position.

You are like a old maid, "if you use sweary words, they've won sonny, remember that"- you clinging to the fact I often use expletives in my writing as some sort of moral superiority is beyond infantile, more an indictment of your character than mine.

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So then you admit your 'I will be judged by the forum' comment was merely a smug riposte that meant nothing, as you do not have any such faith in the forum??