If JMM wins...big IF, but IF...

Roach himself said that he knew that Toney was cheating and that they thought it would be out of his system by fight night. He also said that he knew ****** Fortune was cheating.

 

And the thing is,the weight diesntb even really favor him. Theres about 3 lbs in the difference between them and height difference is negligible

 

Really? Damn. Have you got a source?

 

oh come on, jmm having conditioned by a ped dealer and self-pronounced master of creating peds that's currently undetected drug test definitely invites logical reason to be supicious.

but roach having trained toney who used peds doesn't mean fighters being handled by roach have to be doubted. by way of your logic you're tellin me that it was roach to gave ped to toney.

i may ask your answer to this statements: true or false

Roach trained toney. toney used peds. pac is trained by roach. pac is ped user.



And as regards to ariza's statement that pac doesnt know what he's giving to him.... for you it's enough reason to suspect pac of juicing?

you're a hater.

 

oh believe that! you won't be able to scroll through 3 consecutive threads without and JMM cheated to beat Pac in the title. " not gonna happen cause pacs gonna whup him but if a miracle happens and jmm wins, the hypocrital *******s will be having a PED hissy fit.

 

I don't know if Pac or JMM is using, but won't say they are, the ****ed up thing about this Manny situation is that unfortunately for him the seed has been planted about him possibly being on some type of steroid, yes it would have been better that these accusations weren't made, but now that they are with Manny and his team unwilling to just take the test makes he look suspicious...

With all the other professional boxers like Shane, Ortiz, Martinez, Bradley, Marquez, Khan, Morales and of course Floyd willing to take random test, it in my eyes and a lot if peoples eyes make him look bad and that list could go on for days, bottom line is random testing is not even remotely serious enough to avoid unless you are dirty, so Pac deserves all the criticism he gets for avoid the test, just as Floyd deserves all criticism for requesting a test...

If Floyd is being labeled a coward or duck for requiring random testing that justifiable, but Manny refusing a test that no other professional boxer seem to have a problem with he deserves to get call a cheats and very suspect...

 

If I was JMM I personally wouldn't want to be associated with this guy. Nor would I want to be associated with Conte and to be honest neither Ariza.

I dont think JMM is doing anything wrong, he doesn't look huge as people are claiming but he has bought this extra scrutiny on himself, my only consolatioon is at least he is willing to take any test.

This whole thing is sad for boxing, if he somehow wins this victory will be tainted without a doubt.

 

"The Ruiz fight, James was coming off an injury and we didn't have enough time for it to completely heal. He wasn't at one-hundred percent. The steroids didn't seem to affect him at all, we didn't even know it was still in his system for that fight. James was just himself in the Ruiz fight. His boxing ability won him the fight" Freddie Roach

I will find that video as well to show.

 

Don't hate Pac just call it like I see it, e everyone has a right to be suspicious of JMM maybe using peds now with this latest turn of events, but it all depends on what side of the fence you're on, if you're a Pac follower/fan its unlikely that you're gonna say he maybe using something and vice versa with jmm...

The fact that Manny is not willing to take a test that so many other pro fighters have no problem taking is reason enough to be suspicious, doesn't matter who he is associated with or not, even though his trainer trained a known cheat at the time he was cheating, or the fact that as pointed out in another thread that pac also has worked with an associate of the same hernandez who has links to peds, so when you say hater make sure you know the meaning because what I'm doing is calling it like i see it...

 

Apart from Morales, JMM was Pacquiao's greatest competitor, gave him the most problems. It's no surprise at all that Pac fans are pre-empting this fight with excuses such as PED's, just in case he loses, which is a posibility.

 

Except for the fact that he has agreed to testing (don't know why people keep ignoring this). And prior to him saying yes to 'no cut-offs', he actually conceded to quite a lot of testing (from 21 days, to 14, to 7). It's not like he gave a complete outright "No! :bart" to extra tests. His main concern (phobia) has always been about blood being drawn close to a fight.

And we should stop acting like Manny is the only one to have doubts about an outside agency carrying extra drug-tests that go beyond normal procedures. GBP and Mosley outright rejected a fight when Judah demanded he be randomly tested. That's a guy who was a steroid user. I didn't hear any outcry then.

Also, Floyd's testing demands and actions carried out since the whole fight came about, are not justifiable. He's had no reason, other than jealousy and hatred for another athlete's success, to launch the accusations he has. I, not for one minute, buy his claims of wanting to genuinely clean up the sport.

 

Yes, please do that.

 

But they're not, though. The OP is talking bollocks.

 

Marquez will pull the upset, and only if Team Pac were willing to do the tests, Marquez is willing to do.

 

The IF **** is going to comeback and bite you on the ass just like it did to Uli Uli aka Isal The *****! :nut