If Joe fights Pavlik, and wins (I think he will) - how do you rate the victory?

If Joe fights Pavlik, and wins (which I think he would) - how do you rate the victory, and how does it affect his resume?

Personally I would see it as a very good victory against a prime top ten guy (something Joe has never fought). Pavlik is a middle weight though remember (joe now a Light Heavy); but is would be a good solid win none the less.

Kessler, and Kelly would be Calzaghes best two wins, and a victory would solidify Joes fight record, imo.

Pavlik is not a prime Roy Jones, Toney or Hopkins though so Calzaghes resume would still have question marks, imo. Pavlik is not in the elite bracket of the above.

*There is the chance that Kelly (like Dawson, Kessler) will go on to do great things though - so a victory will mean more - perhaps he will become as respected as the above mentioned.*

Is this too critical of Joe - how much credit would you give for a Pavlik victory - and how much affect does it have on Joes resume if he wins?

 

Double post

 

I think its a big deal if Calzaghe wins. He's old now & Pavlik is a proven good fighter in his prime.
Same 4 Pavlik. Calzaghe's world class & very hard to beat

 

Beating Pavlik would cement he's legacy for me , just imagine wins over Undefeated Lacy, Kessler two future hall of famers in Hopkins and Jones then the ghost provided he gets past hopkins . couldn't ask for much more that would be true greatness . and why not a cherry on the cake victory over tarver then ride of in to the sunset. but coming back down to earth thats all still quiet a way off and not a dead cert

 

Joe would of had a chance against pavlik years ago. But, now, forgetaboutit.

 

IMO a win over Pavlik would mean a lot to his resume but it couldn't outshine the Kessler victory because it was for all the SMW titles in a historical all-title unification fight (yeah, I know, Joe was stripped of the IBF title). People, and not only fans but so-called writers like to jump on that 'but he fought a guy from a lower weight-class' **** which is very disrespectful and wrong. But in Kessler Joe beat the young hungry champ (IMO better than Pavlik) and in Hopkins he beat the legitimate P4P-er and legend.

A win over Pavlik would mean a LOT to his resume.
Also a win over Dawson.
Also a win over Abraham or the next big thing.

There's always another fight, there's always another fighter, but Joe's resume is complete and at 36 you can't expect him to go after a top20 ATG spot... Just look at Roy's career at 36: he had two KO losses already.

 

you say that like joe is not in he's prime no more which is madness , the guy is at the top of he's game at the moment so why would it be so hard to beat Pavlik

 

Joe wins the "eat canvis award" if he fights pavlik. I know Kelly is still a raw product, but he beats JC all day long. Joe's win over Lacy was a masterpiece against an over rated fighter out of his league. Kelly is in Joe's leage and puts Joe to sleep. The B-hop fight will show just how good KP is. B-hop will teach Kelly a few things in the ring about being savy, but Kelly will win that fight and move onto bigger and better things. Now if this thread was about fighting B-hop in his prime, like 500 years ago and JC in his prime, I cant say that I would run with Pavlik. But with 2 aged fighters and Kelly in his prime, I have to run with Pavlik all day long. :bbb :bbb :bbb

 

If Joe beats Pavlik, it is the best win on his resume by some distance IMO. Pavlik has had a better career than Kessler, this is reflected in his pound-for-pound ranking. I would give him immense credit for beating the Ghost. It would be one of the best wins this century if Pavlik first beats Hopkins.

I have no idea who would win that fight. It's a real 50-50 to me just now. Will have a better idea after the Hopkins fight.

 

Very balanced point of view imo, I completely agree.

 

That weight class **** is a bit stupid seeing as Pavliks young, fit, taller & more powerful

 

Nah, Pavlik has not a better career than Kessler. Pavlik has only one name on his resume worth something while Kessler beat Lucas, Beyer and Andrade who while aren´t on the level of Taylor though these three are above any other win on Pavlik´s record. Kessler is ranked lower due to his loss to Calzaghe but basically their resumes are pretty even.

 

Pavlik was top 10 p4p ranked before Kessler lost to Calzaghe, Kessler was not. Pavlik's wins over Jermain Taylor beat anything on Kessler's resume IMO. Jermain Taylor was ripe for the picking, but his talent is very underrated these days. For Pavlik to twice master him was a good achievement. Is Markus Beyer or Andrade at 168 a better fighter than Edison Miranda at that time at 160, is Lucas better than stoppage wins over Bronco McKart or Zuniga? You are someone whose posts I always enjoy and mostly agree with, but we disagree on this one. If Pavlik beats Hopkins (and I think he will), he will be in a different league entirely to the overrated underachiever Kessler.

 

normally i would say Pavlik would be his 2nd best win, after Kessler. But taking into consideration that Calzaghe is borderline shot right now, that would put both wins on the same level.

However the matter in which he wins would have to count for something. If he Lacy's Pavlik, then thats another story.

 

Overrated under achiever is a bit harsh, Kessler would give Pavlik a hell of a fight at least