If Joe Louis fought in the late 80' to 90' against those heavy weight champs

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Joe Louis fought flat-footed out of design, for power punching and counter punching, not because he was a slow plodder.
    He started out as more of a box-and-move type, but Jack Blackburn taught him to fight flat-footed and it worked.
     
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  2. CharlesBurley

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    The jabbers of the 80s/90s were superior to Louis because Louis jabbed short to set up his left hook. Against skilled rangy boxers, with fast long jabs this would not work.

    Louis as a much smaller man was better at putting together combinations but Lennox has the far rangier jab, he stepped into his jab, something Louis doesn't do, has a superior 1-2 which he steps into. By stepping into a punch you cover twice the distance. He has a more explosive uppercut. He sits on his right hand better than Louis. Louis had the shorter sharper left hook.

    Every boxer Bruno faced struggled with Bruno's jab, except for Tyson. Bruno had an 82 inch reach and all time great jab. Mercer also was an olympic champ and great technician.
     
  3. Gazelle Punch

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    You can say what you want but statistically speaking it was easier to hit Lewis then it was Louis. Lewis got hit 36.5 percent of the time from opponents punches and Louis 26.8 percent.
    Lewis was better offensively imo and ended fights earlier. But defensively speaking he was easier to hit.
     
  4. CharlesBurley

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    Louis was missing allot and against Walcott, Schmelling 1, Conn, Godoy.

    I'm not saying Louis didn't have his strengths, he was adept at sitting on his punches, which is what the video is talking about. I just don't think his footwork transitions well to modern boxing.
     
  5. 70sFan865

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    There was no controversy behind Louis decision over Farr.
     
  6. 70sFan865

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    Watch Max Baer fight and tell me that Louis was slow. Louis didn't rely on head movement, but he used subtle moves to evade punches. There is nothing wrong with his defense. He also had one of the best jabs ever.
    The only thing that hurts feelings is that Louis looks so good despite being from 1930s.
     
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  7. CharlesBurley

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    You can't compare punchstats of highlights to full fights. We don't have the full fight of many of Louis's fights in full.

    Louis also fought in an era where he faced very few black opponents. That isn't because they weren't good enough, the likes of Bivins, Turkey Thompson and Elmer Ray didn't get a fair shake.
     
  8. Gazelle Punch

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    Quality of opposition is a fine point to bring up. Can’t really think of anyone all that great he avoided though. Bivins def misses him at his best but they did fight both past prime. Lewis didn’t get the chance to fight any of the big guys in their prime. Not his fault but it still remains the truth.
    Just going by the stats that we have.
     
  9. Flash24

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    As far as offensive skills go not any of the four
    fighters mentioned are on the same playing
    field as Louis as far as power,speed,technique
    and timing are concerned, in fact no heavyweight
    in history is, and probably never will be based on
    the way fighters are trained today. So yes,if
    Louis got within punching range with any heavyweight
    in history. he stops them.
    My biggest question with Louis is could he take the
    fire coming back at him. And judging by the multiple
    fighters that put Louis on his ass, or seriously had him
    hurt,that answer is no. That's were Louis would
    have serious issues against the fighters mentioned.
    It's not his size, it's his ability to take a good shot.
    All the fighters mentioned are much better punchers
    than anyone Louis faced with the exception of Baer.

    Could Louis defeat the four mentioned? Sure he could,
    could the four mentioned ko Louis? Of course they could.
    I can envision either scenario.
     
  10. 70sFan865

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    Now this is laughable. You wouldn't even know him if he wasn't black.
     
  11. mark ant

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    His footwork was very clever and Walcott was very hard to hit because of his footwork.
     
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  13. CharlesBurley

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    Sorry, I wasn't clear Louis had fast hands but his footwork is ponderous
     
  14. mark ant

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    Mercer was not as good a technician as Louis and neither was Bruno.
     
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  15. 70sFan865

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    He wasn't, he just used footwork that maximized his punching effectiveness.
     
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