If Johnson and Jeffries had fought close to their primes...

Mcvey,

Johnson changed his story often! In his auto bio he did Jeffries the greatest. How could Fitz, who Jeffires Ko'd twice be rated higher?? He can't, unless we are talking pound for pound.

You are wrong on Langford...

Many lists have Jeffries rated ahead. The McCallum poll of 12 historians had Jeffries #1 in the 1950's. This is 12 men, not 1!

I have quite a few archived lists. I'll share a few that Jeffries over Johnson, including what Corbett said a while back.

Dumb Dan Morgan (circa 1950)
Fight manager, trainer
Quoted in: The Encyclopedia of World Boxing Champions, John D. McCallum (pp. 46-47)
1-Jim Jeffries
2-John L. Sullivan
3-Jack Johnson
4-Bob Fitzsimmons
5-Jim Corbett
6-Gene Tunney
7-Jack Dempsey
8-Joe Louis

John V. Grombach (1949)
The Saga of Sock, John V. Grombach (p. 374)
1-Jack Dempsey
2-Joe Louis
3-Jack Broughton
4-Jim Jeffries
Johnson not rated.


Tommy Burns (circa 1928)
Heavyweight Champion of the World (1906-1908)
Quoted in: The Legendary Champions (1968) [video documentary], written & directed by Harry Chapin
1-Jim Jeffries
2-Jack Johnson
3-Bob Fitzsimmons
4-Jack Dempsey
5-Jim Corbett
6-Gene Tunney
7-Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
8-Jess Willard



Battling Nelson (1919)
Lightweight Champion of the World
Quoted in: Jack Dempsey, Nat Fleischer (p. 208)
1-Jim Jeffries, Jack Dempsey.

Jim Corbett (circa 1925)
Heavyweight Champion of the World (1892-1897)
Quoted in: Gentlemen Jim Corbett: The Truth Behind a Boxing Legend, Patrick Myler (p. 190).

1-Peter Jackson, Jim Jeffries
3-Bob Fitzsimmons
4-John L. Sullivan
5-Frank Slavin, Jack Dempsey
7-Sam Langford
8-Jack Johnson
9-Jess Willard
10-Tom Sharkey, Harry Wills
12-Charlie Mitchell, Kid McCoy
14-Jake Kilrain


The Ring Editors (Nat Loubet, Editor-n-Chief) (1975)
The Ring (March 1975, pp. 28-30)
1-Joe Louis
2-Jack Dempsey
3-Jim Jeffries
4-Jack Johnson
5-Rocky Marciano
6-Gene Tunney
7-Bob Fitzsimmons
8-Jim Corbett
9-Muhammad Ali
10-Joe Frazier

David Willoughby (1970)
Author of The Super Athletes


1-Jim Jeffries
2-Jack Dempsey
3-Bob Fitzsimmons
4-Jack Johnson
5-Jim Corbett
6-Gene Tunney
7-Joe Louis
8-Rocky Marciano
Jim Braddock (sometime prior to 1972)
Heavyweight Champion of the World, 1935-1937
Quoted in: Jack Dempsey, Nat Fleischer (p. 206)

John D. McCallum (1977)
Author of The Heavyweight Championship (1974), The Encyclopedia of World Boxing Champions (1975)
( revealed in private correspondence )

1-Jack Dempsey
2-Joe Louis
3-Jim Jeffries
4-Jack Johnson
5-Bob Fitzsimmons
6-Jim Corbett
7-John L. Sullivan
8-Gene Tunney
9-Rocky Marciano
10-Muhammad Ali

 

Did not read it. ESB poster HE Grant said he did not like the book. What did Joe J say?

 

I posted a Boston News report that said Johnson fired multiple low blows a while back.

I also posted that Jeanette claimed he was hardly more than a middle weight when he meet Johnson.

In fact at times Jeanette had a losing record when he fought Johnson. Yes--he was very green.

Jeanette is one of the more under rated and unsung hero's of boxing history. Please start a separate thread on the excerpts from the book.

 

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Expand on this.. just HOW green was he?

 

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No surprise there then.Joe must have forgot about," his old friends".Particularly when he picked Jeffries to beat Johnson in 1910.

 

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Yes Phillips said Johnson beat the **** out of Langford and eased up on him to let him stay. He also said Langford was the beneficiary of two long nine counts.

If Jeannette was that good , how good was Johnson?:think

 

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