If Joshua knocks out Usyk in a rematch, does he become an ATG?

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  1. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    What a stupid response. Do I have to label everything with "in my opinion"?
     
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    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Two points:


    You need to judge his career when it's over.

    And more important to your question, You need to have a definition for ATG.
     
    cuchulain, Oct 28, 2021
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  3. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Fair point.,
     
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    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As of right now, Joshua does not have a single signature win. The only wins he has currently which are even worth talking about in a discussion about ATGs are his Klitschko and Povetkin wins; both were over the hill, the former was inactive for 2 years and in his 40s coming off a loss, the latter was never even a real champion (Regular belt doesn’t count).

    So no, if Joshua knocks out Usyk he doesn’t become an ATG off the strength of one sole actual good win. Beat Fury and/or Wilder and then we can begin to have that discussion, until then, no.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    Absolutely not.

    But if he beats Usyk and Fury.

    Absolutely yes.
     
    lufcrazy, Oct 28, 2021
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  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably not by itself, but depends on what Usyk goes on to do. I think he probably has to beat Fury as well to reach that status. A win over Usyk and two wins over Fury would go a long way. Preferably win a trilogy over Usyk as well. If he got the better of both Usyk and Fury that might give him an argument for top 10 hypothetically.

    Throw Joyce in there and a second win over Ruiz and maybe also over Whyte and the argument starts to look quite decent, but there's a lot fo great fighters vying for the top 10. Liston, Frazier, Tyson, Marciano, Holy to name some. So the competition is fierce.
     
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  7. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He will never get credit for anything.
     
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  8. BrokerNYC

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    ATG? Behave…
     
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  9. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    If he beats Usyk, possibly in a ruber match too, takes out Fury and doesnt lose anymore you could argue top 10.
     
    Pugilist_Spec, Oct 28, 2021
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  10. DonTyson

    DonTyson Active Member Full Member

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    Top 5 of his generation. ATG? Don’t be silly.
     
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  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
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  12. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    No
     
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  13. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Excellent point. Is Ken Norton or Vitali an ATG? Because I would rank AJ above both of them with a Usyk win.
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    No
     
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  15. Benladdie3000

    Benladdie3000 Member banned Full Member

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    If its your opinion yes.

    In my opinion you are a clown.
     
    Benladdie3000, Oct 28, 2021
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