If Joshua KO's Usyk will he finally get some credit from everyone?

I think they are in the context of the current landscape, it is such a poor class. The issue for me is he hasn’t fought either Wilder or Fury - leaves a big hole with the division so light on talent.

 

lol the Klit brothers didn't exactly claim any marquee wins though, did they?

 

Fury and Joshua do not have a better resume than Wlad

 

Can you name me someone Wlad beat that is better than Joshua's/Fury's best wins?

Prime Pov maybe? I'm struggling to see what great win Wlad has.

Wlad has long reigning dominance but against what sort of competition?

Please don't say Haye... for the love of god no.

 

Are you f*cking kidding me right now ?

PRIME Chris Byrd
PRIME Povetkin
PRIME Pulev
PRIME David Haye
PRIME Eddie Chambers
PRIME Samuel Peter
Mediocre Chagaev

Joshua has the following:
41 year old inactive Klitschko (retired right after)
39 year old well past it Povetkin
Dillian Whyte, arguably prime, arguably pre prime
39 past it Pulev
Prime Parker

Not even a debate, of course Joshua's career isn't done but nah he doesn't have a better resume. It's not a comparison.

And Haye did a demolition job on prime Chisora, if not him then why include a guy like Whyte on Joshuas resume when Whyte went life and death with Chisora.

 

Prime Pulev? Tell me who his best win is again? Hughie Fury? Chisora?

You do realise the povetkin fight was a disgrace right? Wlad could have easily been DQ'd.

Prime pov would be the best feat out of any of the fighters, but I cannot count his win over Povetkin seriously because of how dirty it was. Wlad was allowed to get away with murder in that fight.

How in hell can you put Povetkin on there to bolster Wlad's resume is beyond me, and he's by far the best fighter on there.

The others are debatable in quality.

P.S. If Joshua beats Usyk, would you say Joshua has the best win?

 

And yet 39 year old lethargic Povetkin is such an amazing win for Joshua. It's clearly subjective. I count it you dont, and since a prime Pulev doesn't count. Then we take Pulev of Joshuas resume now. And Chris Byrd was a skilled world class slick southpaw. How the hell is Prime Chris Byrd debatable in quality, why is Eddie Chambers debatable in quality, he was decent as was Samuel Peter. They're certainly better than Takam who beat no one of note. Pulev beat prime Ustinov and prime Dimitrenko. Dimitrenko rated top 10 at the time. That was a long time ago though. And Chagaev was top 10 for a while.

A weak era it may have been but this one isn't much better is you had old Chisora and old Povetkin causing mayham.

Klitschko also dominated for TEN years in his prime when he changed up his style. Joshua in his prime got washed by Ruiz and Usyk

Povetkin is not BY FAR the best as Byrd in his prime schooled Tua and gave Vitalia hard night nefore Vitali tore his shoulder. And Peter beat Mccline and Maskaev. But yes fossil Povetkin is such a good win for Joshua (LOL)

The bias is real.

And thats debatable, Usyk might be his best win, or it could be 41 year old Klitschko still.

 

If Usyk, Fury and Joshua were around in Wlad's reign, would he have dominated? No.

This generation is better than Wlad's generation.

Like you said it's subjective, but Wlad never had to deal with threats such as Wilder, Fury, Joshua, Usyk etc.

I think I was wrong to say Joshua's resume is better, but Joshua exists in a more difficult time than Wlad did.

 

No, what made Wlad great was his longevity and dominance, neither of which Joshua has, who’s “marquee” win is over an inactive 40+, went 1-1 with a guy who’s barely a top10 HW at the peak of his reign and just got outclassed by a cruiserweight who only had 2 fights at heavyweight in the pro ranks.

 

Usyk is special. To refer to him as just buffed up cruiserweight is stupid. Many consider him #1 p4p or #2. Being outclassed by Usyk is no shame. Usyk would have probably beaten Wlad.

I don't understand why people treat going 1-1 with someone a big deal. Better fighters have been 1-1 with inferior opposition, but their dominance in the rematch asserted who is best. Just because AJ is 1-1 with Ruiz, doesn't mean the superiority of Joshua hasn't been proven.

He dominated him the rematch. Joshua doesn't owe Ruiz another fight, nor does he need to prove anything with a 3rd fight. Just because you lose once to someone doesn't mean you gotta win 2 fights against them to prove who's better.

Wlad's dominance is respectable, but like I said, he wouldn't be reigning that long if he had to fight the likes of Wilder, Joshua, Fury and Usyk.

HW between 2003-2015 was boring and **** poor compared to when Fury, Joshua and Wilder came on the scene and made it far more entertaining.

 

Usyk has been one of my favourites for a decade you idiot, even before he turned pro. I forgot more about him and his career in the last 5 minutes than you’ll ever learn. But It’s a fact that he’s a natural cruiserweight, It’s a fact that he only had 2 fights at heavy before beating AJ, and he might just end up retiring with only 3 fights at the weight under his belt. I would also pick Usyk over Wlad prime vs prime, but fantasy match ups and coulda shoulda wouldas are irrelevant while ranking the resumes and accomplishments.

Avenging a loss matters, Joshua fighting off the backfoot with a safety first approach beats Ruiz 9 out of 10 times. But you can’t pretend like the loss never happened while discussing resumes.

Like I said, coulda shoulda wouldas are irrelevant here. Yes, Fury has 1 win that’s vastly superior to any of Wlad’s, a win which he bottled the rematch for. And then the second one against Wilder. He just hasn’t fought enough yet for the greatness conversation.

And bringing up the existence of Fury, Wilder and Usyk while discussing Joshua’s resume is also irrelevant because he hasn’t fough two of them yet and got beat by the third. With Joshua’s resume, you have old, inactive Wlad(to be clear, I don’t consider old, inactive Larry Holmes a “marquee” win for Tyson, just as an example), Povetkin, Pulev, Whyte and Parker. %60 of those guys are the older versions of the fighters from a “boring and **** poor” era according to yourself. So no, there’s no case whatsoever for Joshua having a better resume than or being ranked anywhere near Wlad.

 

I'm not pretending like the loss never happened, what i'm saying is Joshua HAS avenged a loss. What I'm also saying is that you don't need to be 2-1 against a fighter who beat you to prove a point, unless the fight was close.

Joshua dominated Ruiz.

Lewis lost against inferior opposition, then beat them and then went 1-1, and people considered those losses avenged, and he can claim he beat everyone he fought.

Joshua has beaten everyone he's fought except Usyk. Period.

 

Of course not.

This board hates AJ no matter what.

 

the only one getting ko`ed is the guy with glass jaw

 

Like you hate Warren?