If Khan wants to continue to box he must change back to safety first approach..

amir needs this man to sort things out..

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seen that programme the other night , funny as **** :yep

 

these type of threads need to stop you regurgitate the same freshy **** each time darni

 

i thought it was pretty dated and pretty lame.

 

I know you get a lot of stick Laz for defending Khan too much but in this post, I honestly think you're being a bit harsh on him. I remember well how you picked Peterson to beat him but I honestly thought you were looking too much into it and though you were proved right, I still think to be honest there was nothing to suggest it was going to happen. Peterson put in a career defining performance yes but Amir really just lost that fight rather than Lamont winning it IMO. Khan couldn't have been more off key yet it was still extremely close at the end of the day. Likewise, with Garcia. I really don't think either man had put in a performance earlier in their career which suggested that they could cope with the best of Khan. I think if you look at the more refined, controlled Khan who fought Kotelnik, Judah or Malignaggi for example, he'd wipe the floor with both Peterson and Garcia.

Maybe I overrated Khan too much because before the Lamont fight, I believed Khan-Bradley was 50-50, with maybe Tim as the slight favourite. If you looked at it now, you'd expect Bradley to maul Amir. But I just think that if the Khan that we'd seen at 140 previously had turned up vs. Peterson/Garcia, he'd have won. Neither of them two are particularly good, as I'm convinced we'll come to see in the future, but Khan just looked a plae imitation of the fighter we'd seen previously.

Not that I'm suggesting the 2 defeats should just be discarded, not at all. the fact Khan looked so bad in them is clearly a flaw that he has to overcome but I do believe that Khan's stock plummeting to where it is now from where it was say after the Judah fight is a bit extreme. People have been too critical IMO. There are plenty of issues to be addressed without doubt but he IS capable of putting in world class performances. Not in his next fight (I think he needs at least 1 or 2 warm up fights), but I still believe Khan can beat Brook.

You're spot on about saying that we on here tend to moan and criticise too much and should accept fighters for what they are but at this moment, I think Khan is getting too much criticism. He's not as good as some believed when they thought he could compete with the Mayweathers of this world but I don't think he's as bad as some people are making out now (saying Brook would destroy him etc). It's somewhere in between IMO but it'll be interesting to see what happens in his career from now on as I think the matchmaking in his next few fights could be crucial.

BTW, sorry if you can't understand that, I know the point I'm trying to make but not sure if it comes across like it should

 

dude is getting married this year from what he said..
this can affect his training/mood/desire..

if he loses his next fight, he will be forced to retire.

 

yo man, khan struggled with peterson from round 2..he was out of hgis comfort zone.

Garcia knocked him down and took over from round 3..what are you talking about clearly winning? It was a 12 round fight.

 

I completely understand your post and where you're coming from. I'm not quite sure where I'm being overly harsh, though.

With the Peterson fight, a week or two before it, I was watching the tape of Bradley-Peterson and if you've seen it, he was really grinding despite Bradley doing so much. He just kept ploughing forward. Credit to Bradley, he really put a performance on but even then, I felt that was a very grueling fight for him, despite the scorecards. I kept thinking to myself how Amir would handle that. Timmy used head movement, a good punch selection and his inside fighting and ruggedness made me question where Amir could emulate what Bradley did vs Peterson. I also took into consideration the fact that Peterson would be motivated by his crowd, which I'm sure he was. I wasn't alone on this. I think Rico and a few others felt the exact same way. With Garcia, I did expect Amir to win because I didn't see that inner strength that Peterson had with him, but that wasn't obviously the tale to Amir's defeat. It was that long left hook he's always been prone to, and I had always questioned up till the fight if Amir would be able to take it. Unfortunately, he did not.

Amir wasn't any more refined in the Kotelnik, Malignaggi and Judah fights than he was against Peterson and Garcia. Kotelnik wasn't a strong fighter. He was a technical boxer who was not able to take advantage of Amir's flaws, and even then, he had Amir pedaling back in the late rounds and was putting pressure on him. Malignaggi, while thoroughly beaten did land on Amir, but he had zero power to take advantage.

I personally feel he turned up 100%. He was just beaten by better fighters on the night. I don't think he looked bad in them fights at all. He's just hittable and a fighter like Peterson and Garcia were able to take advantage of Amir's obvious flaws. Even with the Judah fight, believe it or not, I was actually not too impressed. He did good, yeah, but even then we saw him get hit when Judah was actually awake, we saw how his feet didn't coordinate too well with his hands at times and so on.

I have no doubt in my mind that Amir Khan can beat Brook. I'll be honest right here, if I actually felt Brook would beat Amir, I'd say it, just like I had done with the Peterson/Garcia fights. Of course Brook would have a chance, any fighter does, but if they ever get on, I wouldn't be more confident in knowing that Amir would beat him. People are blinded by what Brook's recent success and then with his last fight, it was really no surpise to me. He is just as hittable as Amir Khan. I personally pray that fight happens sooner or later.

I absolutely agree that he does get too much criticism but I don't feel anything I said has been harsh. A big Amir Khan fan like me would hardly go as far to say he's absolute **** and has a glass jaw. Anything I have said I feel is the bottom line with Amir. Sorry if I didn't answer anything or something doesn't make sense. I'm out of it today.

 

I disagree. When you say anyone "around his weight" I take it you're not just talking 140 but up to 147. There are guys like Marquez and Bradley, then you have Mayweather and Pac at 147. I don't want to sound like I'm trashing Khan, because he's a very good fighter, but against the elite he doesn't have a "decent chance".

and it's not so much about using his strengths as it is about minimising the effect his weaknesses will have. Wladimir Klitschko, like Khan can't fight on the inside. Yet, Wladimir will hug the **** out of his opponent. He'll clinch like a mutha****a. Of course he has other strengths that will make his opponent think twice before rushing him. Firstly, his size and reach makes it way more difficult, and secondly he hits like a freight train. Khan unfortunately can't rely on these attributes to keep his opponents out of his grill.

Speed and work rate would never be enough against someone like Marquez who's timing would nullify Khan's speed. Really the only strengths he has is hand speed and balls.

 

Sorry I didn't really make myself clear (Iknew I hadn't!), I don't think you're being harsh on him per se but I feel you'd be justified this time in standing up for Amir a bit more, given the over the top stick he's getting.

I have to say, I do disagree with a couple of your points. The Bradley-Peterson fight was one of the main reasons I could see Khan beating Peterson. Watching Bradley absolutely dominate him from the outside, when that's hardly his main strength, just made me think Peterson was very average as a pressure fighter. I believed he'd use a strategy of fighting at range and that Khan could dictate as Lamont's actual boxing skill is average at best at world level IMO. Obviously, I was proved wrong as Peterson was tenacious and strong and Khan couldn't deal with it.

Yet, I still think Kotelnik is a better pressure fighter than Peterson ever will be. He's technically a better fighter as you say but that makes his aggression more educated. And Khan dismissed his threat pretty expertly I must admit. I think there was every reason to believe that whatever way Peterson approached it, Khan would be able to cope. The one thing I didn't see happening, which I don't think Peterson's performance vs Bradley demonstrated, was for him to just swarm his man and not give him an inch. Maidana had indicated how Khan could lose his rag in that type of situation and Lamont to his credit exploited it. That's why I bet on Peterson to win the rematch before it was cancelled; because he had outthought Amir. But altogether, I still consider Khan to be the better man. Lamont had the fight of his life that night and still only scraped a decision. It would have been asking a lot for him to repeat it in a rematch (though the odds tempted me too much!)

Regarding Judah/Malignaggi as well, forgetting Paulie's lack of pop for a minute, they were damn impressive world level wins for Khan IMO. Not perfect performances but they are underrated by some I believe.

Usually, I back accuracy over speed but there are big question marks over Brook for me. He's not fought anyone near Khan's level I don't think. And we saw how someone as limited Jones managed to disrupt him. Obviously Khan fights nothing like him but at the first sign of adversity, Brook failed IMO. Yes he won the fight, but only on the basis of the rounds he had in the bag early. Amir will pose him more problems than a plodder like Jones and I'm not sure Brook can handle it.

 

Awesome post Laz.

 

:deal Good points

 

Khan has NEVER been overly cautios or cautious to any degree. The problem was he was blasting domestic opponants out of there and never faced danger until Prescott. We all know what happened with Prescott, but instead of learning from that he decided to sack his trainer putting all the blame off himself and onto the Cuban.

The he blasted mostly mediocre to fringe level fighters, with the occasional decent one out. Then along came Peterson who beat him closely (I had it narrowlt to khan but it wasn't a robbery, so instead of learning from that he blamed a man in a hat. Can you see a pattern forming?

Next Garcia spanks him and instead of learning from it hes going to leave wildcard, Khan doesn't need to revert back to a cautious style, he needs to learn a cautious style thats the differance. His career as a World Class boxer hangs in the balance, his ability to adapt to a new style is critical to how far he progresses, I personally think he has the ability to do it but only he can do it. Good Luck to him I await his next move.