If Lacy hadn't fought Calzaghe..

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  1. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Just watched a couple of his pre Zaggers contests, Robin Reid & Vanderpool.. both decent fighters back in day, Reid was an Olympic medalist & should have been a 2 time SMW titlist when he fought Lacy.. Vanderpool was something like 35-2 , beat Glen Johnson & gave prime Bhop a decent fight.. Lacy pummelled them.. watch the brutal uppercuts he finished Reid with!

    Lacy was a solid inside fighter, good combination puncher, physical, athletic, heavy handed .. I can see why many liked him back then. Fighters like him are usually found wanting at some point but do u think he could have done more if he'd have swerved Calzaghe & avoided the mental & physical undressing he suffered in Manchester.. he even destroyed his shoulder hyper extending in that fight didn't he?

    Lacy put together something like a 209-12 amateur record! Ppl forget that! He can't have been a mug..

    I honestly think Lacy wasn't as bad as people retrospectively make out.. I think Calzaghe was that good that night that he destroyed a career! & to be fair to Lacy I don't think he ever really made excuses like i.e Wilder.. boxing is a brutal game, & it spat this kid out. Davey Moore Mark II.. ruined by a great fighter.
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Lacy's record post Calzaghe/horrific shoulder injury

    WMD 10 Vitaly Tsypko in a fight that could easiy have been scored against him.

    WUD 10 Peter Manfredo in a fight that could have been scored against him too (I haven't seen it since it was broadcast but I remember thinking it was mighty close at the time).

    WMD 10 Epifanio Mendoza - another razor-close one apparently.

    LUD 12 via schooling to Jermain Taylor.

    WMD 10 Otis Griffin - Griffin said this was a really bad robbery and that he won 8 of the 10 rounds.

    LRTD 10 to Roy Jones

    LUD 12 to the 23-19-7 Dhafir Smith.

    WTKO3 to the 20-16-2 Martin Verdin.

    LTKO2 Umberto Savigne.

    WUD 8 over the 9-18 Timothy Hall Jr.

    LTKO4 Sullivan Barrera




    ROY JONES JR
    Lacy wins, and I'll tell you why. One of the main factors that would lead to a Lacy win is Calzaghe's heart.

    I'm not saying Calzaghe dosen't have heart, I'm saying he has too much!

    When Lacy nails Calzaghe and hurts him then Joe will try to get payback, and then he will be open to really get hurt - which he will.


    JAMES TONEY
    Joe Calzaghe-Jeff Lacy is a mismatch. Lacy is going to destroy that boy. He's too strong, he's a fighter - he's proved himself.

    Calzaghe never did anything. He beat Chris Eubank nine years ago, but what has he done since then? He's a joke, that's why he keeps pulling out of fights.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out of this one. Everybody in the UK is over-protected, but Lacy will be OK, because he's a fighter.


    NIGEL BENN
    I remember seeing Lacy a while back on Joe's undercard and I wasn't impressed, wasn't impressed. But he seems to of really knuckled down and improved since then.

    I saw him fight Robin Reid and I was impressed, he looked good and he'll give Joe some stick. I reckon both guys will take abit of stick.

    Lacy seems to like to maraud forward and Joe has always thrown a lot of leather. I reckon they'll both take some stick but you have to go with Joe, he has that killer instinct and fast punches to get the job done but he'll take some stick man, take some stick.


    ROBIN REID
    Make no mistake about it - three, five, eight or 10 years ago and Calzaghe would of overcome a Jeff Lacy. I really think Calzaghe of years gone by was too strong, too fast and too flashy for Jeff.

    But I'm definately predicting a Lacy win now. Calzaghe's chin is not as strong as it once was due to wars against Eubank, Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell, Salem and so on.

    Also, the main factor is that Joe's left hand is very prone to injury and he'll need to hit Jeff as hard as he can to keep him off him.

    I think Calzaghe may injure his hand during the fight and get ruthlessly stopped in the mid-rounds by Jeff Lacy. Fight over.


    MIKKEL KESSLER
    I predict it will be an excellent match but if the fight goes past six rounds Joe Calzaghe will be victorious.

    Whilst Lacy has obvious power I think Joe has too much experience and too much boxing ability for him.

    If Calzaghe stays away from the obvious power of Lacy early on he will come out victorious.


    RICHIE WOODHALL
    My money's on Joe but I would have preferred this fight to have come five years sooner.

    Joe's on home soil and, although it's great when the crowd's behind you, they can spur you on and force you into boxing the wrong style.

    If he stands and fights with Lacy, Joe will come unstuck because Lacy's got a lot of power and is the best short-range fighter in the division.

    But Joe will show intelligence and keep it mid-to-long range. I think he'll box cleverly on the back foot and win on points.


    CARL FROCH
    I think Calzaghe's left it a couple of years too late. Two years ago he would have beaten Lacy on points.

    But he doesn't look as sharp and tough as he used to, and I think Lacy will get him out of there within the distance.

    The last few fights Calzaghe's hit the deck a couple of times and that shows a bit of vulnerability.

    I've got a feeling Calzaghe will make the mistake of being drawn into a fight, because he's a proud man. He'll come unstuck, because Lacy is a big puncher.


    STEVE BUNCE
    Calzaghe will win it. Lacy hasn't beaten anybody who's been anywhere near their best.

    He's the American idol but he's really not that special. Hopefully Joe has enough left and has not left it too late for the big fight.


    CLINTON WOODS
    Calzaghe may have a few sticky moments early on if Lacy comes out banging but Joe is strong enough to deal with it.

    I can then see him winning it late on and stopping Lacy, maybe in the eighth or ninth round.

    I hope he does it, it's great for us British fighters to show the Amercians what we can do.


    FRANK MALONEY
    It will be a tough fight for Joe and I can see it being very close.

    It could go to points but I think having that crowd behind him in Manchester will play a big factor and give him the edge.


    FREDDIE ROACH
    Lacy is too strong for Calzaghe. It will not go the distance.

    I see Lacy ending it in the later rounds, possibly by the 10th.


    JEFF FENECH
    I don't see how Calzaghe can keep Lacy off of him.

    I wouldn't be surprised by a knockout, but I think it will probably be by a dominant unanimous decision.


    Glenn Catley, who Calzaghe beat in the 1992 ABA final, is going for a Lacy win.

    Chris Sanigar, who's fighters Joe beat in successive ABA finals (Catley in 92 and Darren Dorrington in 1993), predicts that Calzaghe will win.

    John Garfield ESB's greatest poster RIP

    Originally Posted by John Garfield

    Was Lacy the reincarnation of a prime Tyson? No but he was a good fighter before the combination of the vicious beating Calzaghe administered to him and that terrible shoulder injury ruined him.
     
  3. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Absolutely. He wasn't the bum he has subsequently been made out to be, but also no mini Tyson as the hype said. But u don't put together an amateur record like that & get to world title level if you're a scrub.. it's just not logical to suggest so.. & I think it was actually the Tsypko fight just after Joe that he tore his left rotator cuff and he pretty much fought with one arm basically. After that fight it was down hill from then on out..
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You only have to contrast his amateur/pre Super Joe form against his post Super Joe/terrible shoulder injury form. He looked beastly prior to the later. Hence, why so many were raving about him and picked him to beat Super Joe. But after that he was going life and death with everyone he fought or losing to them, whether they were world class or low level.

    Yes it was, injured it in round 2 IIRC
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    Lacy had earnt his ranking. He obviously hadn't earnt his spot as favourite going into the fight.

    It's a shame how bad this victory is viewed right now. It was a showcase and it proved to everyone in the boxing world, that Calzaghe was legit.

    Before this he was seen as a long term titlist who didn't fight the best out there.

    After this he was seen as the best out there, even going into the Kessler fight as a favourite.

    This fight was incredible and Joe deserves credit for the victory.
     
  6. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Another excellent example of why amateur records are completely meaningless
     
  7. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It's simple this for me, either the boxing community had one of the biggest brain farts in its entire history in 06 or Joe 'I turned down Rachel cordingley' Calzaghe genuinely produced a career altering performance that night?
     
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  8. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    This guy disagrees with u:

    These two posts have just illustrated the point of the thread beautifully.
     
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  9. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    He was similar to Hatton. Once he got in there with someone who could counter well and avoid his big shots, he looked way out of place, one dimensional even. His lack of defense shown through and Zags never let up. Lacy was doing simple math while Zags was doing quantum physics that night. Completely different levels.
     
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  11. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    Why you gotta do him like that? :lol:
     
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  13. guncho

    guncho next champion! Full Member

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    I predicted that calzaghe would win by ud and he did.

    But i thought it would be 7-5 8-4 rounds competitive contest like aginst kessler.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: The Super Joe who fought Lacy might not have been hitting with the same force as he was earlier on in his career but he was definitely hitting harder than he was in his last few fights where he was very sparing with the power shots. Lacy took a bad beating against Joe and there were a lot of heavy shots mixed in with those lighter flurries and his corner really should've pulled him out.
     
  15. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Savage performance by the best super middleweight ever imo. He was classed as a hype job after but that's unfair, he just met an on fire calzaghe. Sad seeing Jones jnr taking the **** with him showboating. That's why it was nice seeing Joe give it jnr back
     
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