If Lacy & Kessler continue doing nothing, how will Joe be remembered in 30 years?

PACFAN, you are more obsessed about Calzaghe than any of the "nuthuggers" that supposedly lack objectivity in comparison to yourself.

 

Keep repeating this mantra to yourself, Konphlict, that will surely make it true.

 

What is there to make it a falicity?

 

When Taylor dominates Lacy, the question will be even more valid. If Kessler camps out in Denmark for the next 3 years as he very well may do, ditto.

Jermain Taylor is far far too talented for Jeff Lacy.

 

Your statement would have some value if the title of this thread was "Calzaghe is ****" or something of that ilk, but as it stands this is surely a legitimate question to ponder? Or is any questioning of the Infallible One blasphemy to the 'objective' boxing fan?

 

No, its a legit question, especially regarding Kessler as its blatant Lacy isn't the same and won't amount to anything. One of your better ones regarding Calzaghe. You still talk about him an awful lot (I'd say 50% of your posts) for a guy that constantly bleats about being a fan of boxing as a whole. So much so that its hard not to think there is agenda behind your Calzaghe ramblings.

I think you are looking for people to **** on Calzaghe. Either that or you don't quite believe many of the theories you hold yourself, and are desperately looking for confirmation and agreement.

It's desperate stuff. I think Calzaghe being rightly rated so highly grates for you.

 

Because it's your own warped onesided perception. Let me help you. Lacy was hyped up, but he was still a good boxer, which is why he was target of hype. Kessler is not a closet hype machine - he has proven himself as a very good boxer numberous of times. Hopkins-JC was close, and yet it wasn't. Hopkins won 3 rounds(4 max), but it was close because Hopkins wisely didn't want to have fight and not alot was scored in the bout.

 

You see that the problem. He's already beat Mundine, a very good and underrated SMW as well as Andrade, not a great, but a fairly good contender who might beat Bute, the fighter considered #2 only behind Mikkel. Where's the credit for that? Kessler's resume isn't superb, but he has some quality wins inlc. Siaca and 3-time (ok, medicre) champ Beyer, and most think he's a 'eurobum' because he didn't appear 7 times on HBO. That's the problem.

 

Don't be so sure Taylor will even win this one. I think Lacy will beat him actually, unless his shoulder is still a problem. There has never been any indication that Kessler wants less than to fight the best in his division, but you need titles, when you don't have a widely recognized name. Froch, Inkin and Bute have so far not wanted a piece of him.

 

Warren just did what Kohl and Sauerland did for years, look at Maske, Ottke, Beyer, Sturm, Erdei, Dzinziruk. All above average guys and held/hold on their titles for a long time while avoiding real opposition. That´s good for him and his fighters but bad for the sport.

But it´s funny that Pacfan84 has his own fanclub

 

Where Floyd comes into it is that since he retired and the p4p no1 spot is up for grabs all you do is diss Calzaghe's claims to the top spot. Everyone's entitled to an opinion but you've become an obsessive ****in bore pal. As for the 'journeyman' comment, I have things to do other than write innumerable posts that bang on about the same old bull****.

 

Surely a better question would be...

Why are you obsessed with Calzaghe to the point that you log your sorry ass on here for every hour of every day without fail with the sole purpose of trying to discredit someone who has more talent in his left bollock than you have in your whole body?

 

If that's the case, then he will have two if his biggest wins vs. average opponents.

 

Kessler was undefeated, unified 2 belts, and hadn't lost more than a handful of rounds throughout his entire career going into that fight. That's a hell of a win no matter what he accomplishes from here on out. Lacy was still a top 5 SMW up until he jacked his shoulder up and viewed as no worse than #2 going into the fight, #1 by some.

Frankly, I think far too much is made about what fighters do years after the fact when evaluating resumes. Shortly after is one thing, but once you go past a handful of fights, it really doesn't matter. Current/recent accomplishments going into the fight should be much more important. For example, if Peter Manfredo managed to win a title in 2012, does it really make it any better of a win for Calzaghe when he beat him years earlier? I don't think so. He was still just a fringe top 20 fighter at the time even if he becomes champion years later.

 

Lacy proved that he is not what many people once thought he was. Furthermore, in my opinion, a guy who can't come back after one significant loss isn't a has been: he's a never was.

The above means that at this point in time the strength of Joe's legacy rests mostly on Kessler's shoulders. If Kessler continues to fight for a few more years, and unifies 168, Joe's legacy will be in decent shape. If Kessler fails to make a big noise, and Joe retires without facing Pavlik, he's left with sour owl ****.