If Larry Holmes had beaten Oliver McCall for the WBC title in 1995

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What impact would it have on Holmes's legacy if he regained WBC in 1995?

  1. I would rate him higher than I do now.

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  2. I would rate him about the same/No impact

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  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How would this affect your ranking of him considering he would have essentially regained a major title 10 years after he lost his titles to Spinks?

    And secondly how would this have compared to Foreman's win over Moorer?
     
  2. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    Then I would consider Holmes "another career" as successful as Foreman.
    In that case you could watch “dream fight” Holmes vs Foreman; both had long and successful careers, but did not fight.
     
  3. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How would this not affect his legacy? Beating McCall who was still fresh from the first Lewis fight and becoming champ would imo definitely put him top 5 all time heavies if he isn't already.
     
  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    It puts him up a little. He's still top five for me, beating McCall just proves how lucky he was to ko Lewis.
    A few more rounds won and Holmes is the new champ.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I’d rate him higher. Especially since he would have beaten the man who just beat lennox and in so doing acquired another title. Taking it a step further if he had retired right then and there it would have been a great exit
     
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  6. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Knowing Larry, he'd probably keep going until he lost.
     
  7. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep. No way would he have retired after winning it back.

    At 38 or so, he was retired, had escaped with his health fully intact, tens of millions in the bank, owning half of his little town basically... and then returned and fought on until age 52 for no real reason other than personal challenge and just wanting to fight. He'd have tried to hold on to that title as long as possible.
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just out of curiosity just say Holmes did beat McCall and your Holmes's manager, what fighter in top 10 do you think would be the easiest title defence for the old man ?
     
  9. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I would not rate him higher based on beating McCall. I think it would depend on any successful defenses of his title.
     
  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It would also mean Frank Bruno would never win world title either, unless he got a shot at Holmes himself. But i can't see Holmes fighting Frank Bruno.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    True. The man loved the money too much
     
  12. bboyrei

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    Slightly higher overall but maybe still the same rank.

    This would mean Holmes likely faces post prison Tyson, might be possible he pulls a Mercer?
     
  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd pick Larry to decision Frank for sure.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Foreman
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I'd argue he would deserve top 5 status ATG. McCall isn't the most glamorous opponent, but winning the title again in your 40's is amazing especially because Holmes lacks the power to just turn a fight around instantly and was relying on his smarts and technique. It's a hell of a cherry to put on top of his amazing career in the 80's.

    I'd say it would make his comeback better than comeback Foreman since he also had the amazing Mercer performance. Comeback Foreman didn't have a very deep resume outside of Moorer, Cooney, and Rodrigues.
     
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